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10:53 DAL Delta Air Lines: Conf call summary (14.97 +0.12) -Update-

Expect high oil prices will continue to be an industry-wide challenge. Says international expansion has been successful; key to the continued international expansion is JFK. Says strategic review is ongoing; will not comment on any specifics. For 2008 they are targeting flat earnings to their 2007 pre-tax earnings of $625 mln, despite needing to cover roughly $1.3 bln in expected higher fuel prices. Co is focusing on top line growth and expect to grow operating rev by 8%. They expect the business to generate more than $1.6 bln in cash from operations, sufficient to cover debt maturities and non-aircraft cap ex, and also increase unrestricted liquidity. For the full yr, they expect an operating margin in the range of 4-6%. Says main line non-fuel costs to be flat YoY, and fuel costs per gallon to be approximately $2.67, including the impact of fuel hedging. For 1Q08, they expect operating margin to be in the range of negative 2-4%. As of Jan 22, co hedged 26% of anticipated consumption for Q1. Utilizing heating oil, whole options with an equivalent jet fuel cap of $2.77 per gallon. For Q2, co hedged 31%, with an average jet fuel equivalent cap of $2.72. And they have also hedged 15% and 10% of anticipated consumption in Q3 and Q4 respectively. They expect net cap ex to be approximately $500 mln; expect net cap ex of $1.5 bln for the FY08... On Q&A, co says if the economy continues to weaken they do have a lot of airplanes with very low ownership costs so they can change the utilization of the fleet, which they aren't saying they would necessarily ground airplanes, but certainly they would fly less on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays, which are historically the laggards in industry RASM days. Says they have slowed down a little bit of the Com Air decision-making process, pending where the ultimate answers come out on the consolidation front but long-term, they believe Com Air will be an 'important part of the Delta family, however that contract gets structured'.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General, obviously you don't have a family. All you do is post Delta propaganda here...and stalk flight attendants.
 
General, obviously you don't have a family. All you do is post Delta propaganda here...and stalk flight attendants.

I am doing what you told me to do, ask the gay ones if they will go out with you. Most have said no. Well, you still have Tanky Clown to hold hands with.

And, I copied/pasted that summary. No propaganda here, just pasting. Looks like it was done by a financial company.

Also, I do have a family.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I am doing what you told me to do, ask the gay ones if they will go out with you. Most have said no. Well, you still have Tanky Clown to hold hands with.

And, I copied/pasted that summary. No propaganda here, just pasting. Looks like it was done by a financial company.

Also, I do have a family.


Bye Bye--General Lee


Your second life family and your D&D warlords don't really count as family.
 
Ouch, those are some high caps for fuel. Good news - oil is down $15 a barrell from where it was two weeks ago.
 
10:53 DAL Delta Air Lines: Conf call summary (14.97 +0.12) -Update-

Expect high oil prices will continue to be an industry-wide challenge. Says international expansion has been successful; key to the continued international expansion is JFK. Says strategic review is ongoing; will not comment on any specifics. For 2008 they are targeting flat earnings to their 2007 pre-tax earnings of $625 mln, despite needing to cover roughly $1.3 bln in expected higher fuel prices. Co is focusing on top line growth and expect to grow operating rev by 8%. They expect the business to generate more than $1.6 bln in cash from operations, sufficient to cover debt maturities and non-aircraft cap ex, and also increase unrestricted liquidity. For the full yr, they expect an operating margin in the range of 4-6%. Says main line non-fuel costs to be flat YoY, and fuel costs per gallon to be approximately $2.67, including the impact of fuel hedging. For 1Q08, they expect operating margin to be in the range of negative 2-4%. As of Jan 22, co hedged 26% of anticipated consumption for Q1. Utilizing heating oil, whole options with an equivalent jet fuel cap of $2.77 per gallon. For Q2, co hedged 31%, with an average jet fuel equivalent cap of $2.72. And they have also hedged 15% and 10% of anticipated consumption in Q3 and Q4 respectively. They expect net cap ex to be approximately $500 mln; expect net cap ex of $1.5 bln for the FY08... On Q&A, co says if the economy continues to weaken they do have a lot of airplanes with very low ownership costs so they can change the utilization of the fleet, which they aren't saying they would necessarily ground airplanes, but certainly they would fly less on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays, which are historically the laggards in industry RASM days. Says they have slowed down a little bit of the Com Air decision-making process, pending where the ultimate answers come out on the consolidation front but long-term, they believe Com Air will be an 'important part of the Delta family, however that contract gets structured'.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

I could swear I remember you posting on here about how much better it was for delta to expand internationaly then it was for swa to have fuel hedges. well i guess you were correct again, Delta=LOSS, SWA=PROFIT. Why don t you enlighten us with more words of wisdom!
 
General,

I could swear I remember you posting on here about how much better it was for delta to expand internationaly then it was for swa to have fuel hedges. well i guess you were correct again, Delta=LOSS, SWA=PROFIT. Why don t you enlighten us with more words of wisdom!

has SWA made any money in the last year or so flying passengers? or has it been a smart/lucky guess on fuel hedging? IOW: if SWA was paying the same for fuel as the rest of the industry...where would their #'s be? honest question: NOT flamebait!

anybody have stats?
 
has SWA made any money in the last year or so flying passengers? or has it been a smart/lucky guess on fuel hedging? IOW: if SWA was paying the same for fuel as the rest of the industry...where would their #'s be? honest question: NOT flamebait!

anybody have stats?

Unknown - pricing would have been different - just like in any other business.
 
has SWA made any money in the last year or so flying passengers? or has it been a smart/lucky guess on fuel hedging? IOW: if SWA was paying the same for fuel as the rest of the industry...where would their #'s be? honest question: NOT flamebait!

anybody have stats?

Maybe if Delta had the foresight...or didn't have the credit of a degenerate gambler crack addict, then they could get some fuel hedges.
 
General,

I could swear I remember you posting on here about how much better it was for delta to expand internationaly then it was for swa to have fuel hedges. well i guess you were correct again, Delta=LOSS, SWA=PROFIT. Why don t you enlighten us with more words of wisdom!

A loss can be due to many factors. Owning a bunch of unprofitable RJs doesn't help matters - I know SWA doesn't have that RJ albatross around its neck. It's convenient in some ways that Delta posts a loss (which again can be a paper loss) as it helps bolster the argument for a merger with NWA.

SWA's lack of international flights will come to bite it in the a$$ eventually. Watch Air Tran, JetBlue, Spirit, Skybus, Frontier and Virgin America continue to add capacity and compete directly with SWA on its more profitable routes. Increased competition will drive yields lower. Where will all of these LCCs put their new planes in the future? Air Tran has 70+ 737-700s on order - where will they put them beyond MKE? They will find SWA's profitable routes and try to compete. The domestic LCC game will be bloody in the future...

Meanwhile, international carriers can partially subsidize their domestic operations with the fat margins they are earning on their relatively non-competitive international routes. Plus, watch the legacies employ more E170s/CR9s and E190s to compete with the LCCs on both a comfort and economical basis (lower operating costs). It ain't gonna be pretty. That's why I am hopefully going fractional...
 
I am doing what you told me to do, ask the gay ones if they will go out with you. Most have said no. Well, you still have Tanky Clown to hold hands with.

And, I copied/pasted that summary. No propaganda here, just pasting. Looks like it was done by a financial company.

Also, I do have a family.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yes, you do have a family; now logoff and go talk to them.

Get to know them:

Find out what they do during the day, where they go to school, what grade they are in, what hobbies they enjoy, what kind of wine does your wife prefer....

You get it.;)
 
General - just curious - how much did the debt grow to on the 2007 balance sheet? I know you like to focus on operating statistics, but borrowing more $ in anticipation of a future (maybe) payoff is not going so well in other industries these days.
 
General - just curious - how much did the debt grow to on the 2007 balance sheet? I know you like to focus on operating statistics, but borrowing more $ in anticipation of a future (maybe) payoff is not going so well in other industries these days.

Thanks for the advice. I'll call the CFO/PRES Ed Bastian and tell him myself......

These guys get paid the big bucks, and most make some mistakes. I will have to say they are in a better view of what to do than I am, but I usually post actual articles and use those for debate purposes. I gave you the synopsis of 2007 in the form that Delta gave as a press release. If you want more info, I suggest you look it up.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Yes, you do have a family; now logoff and go talk to them.

Get to know them:

Find out what they do during the day, where they go to school, what grade they are in, what hobbies they enjoy, what kind of wine does your wife prefer....

You get it.;)

Thanks Dad! Great advice. Now why don't you grow a member and then grow a brain and throw in some intelligent debate. If you have something to add about DL or NWA, type away. If you don't, which is highly possible, then maybe you should sit back and browse. Have a great one Dad.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
has SWA made any money in the last year or so flying passengers? or has it been a smart/lucky guess on fuel hedging? IOW: if SWA was paying the same for fuel as the rest of the industry...where would their #'s be? honest question: NOT flamebait!

anybody have stats?

SWA pays the same at the pump as everyone else. The hedge is actually a bet/investment on Wall Street on the price of HEATING oil. As has been previously stated on other threads I am sure most have read, we have a small team of people whose sole job is to make such investments; kinda like day trading on a large scale. One more time for everyone out there who fails to understand; we pay the same at the pump as everyone else, but we also have a very talented team of people who are smart and make up the difference. It is not cheating like you imply just smart business moves! Cheers...
 
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SWA pays the same at the pump as everyone else. The hedge is actually a bet/investment on Wall Street on the price of HEATING oil. As has been previously stated on other threads I am sure most have read, we have a small team of people whose sole job is to make such investments; kinda like day trading on a large scale. One more time for everyone out there who fails to understand; we pay the same at the pump as everyone else, but we also have a very talented team of people who are smart and make up the difference. It is not cheating like you imply just smart business moves! Cheers...

huh???

Maynard (2005) explained that rising fuel costs may make it difficult for Southwest Airlines to continue the level of growth and profitability experienced in years past. However, Maynard argued that Southwest still carries the lowest overall cost and highest market capitalization of any carrier in the airline market, which is a promising observation that could help Southwest to remain profitable. Warren (2005) explained that Southwest isolated itself from fuel price spikes a few years ago by purchasing fuel at fixed prices, known as hedging, while other airlines failed to do so and saw their expenses increase exponentially as fuel prices rose dramatically. Some of Southwest's fuel hedging benefits are expiring, which incidentally increases costs for the airline (Maynard). Answers Corporation (2007) explained that Southwest has hedges of varying prices and quantities currently in place through 2009. Increasing fuel prices are certainly one variable that could have a severe impact on Southwest's future ability to maintain profitability into the future, especially if it is unable to hedge fuel at acceptable prices in the future.

this is one excerpt of many articles from:http://www.helium.com/tm/433857/company-overviewsouthwest-airlines-began
 
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GL, I've been trying to find what Delta's overall yearly profit margin was, but haven't been able to. Isn't that what the pay rates are contractually tied to?
 
Hey Tanker Clown grow up and get a new picture, making fun of the Song Breast Cancer plane is not cool even if you don't like Delta.
 
Hey Tanker Clown grow up and get a new picture, making fun of the Song Breast Cancer plane is not cool even if you don't like Delta.

I thought he had that since he's a boob.
 
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Hey Tanker Clown grow up and get a new picture, making fun of the Song Breast Cancer plane is not cool even if you don't like Delta.

I'm not making fun of it. Song is a great product that really stuck it to Air Tran. I love the way Delta is so innovative with their ideas. I just did a google image search for Song, and that's what came up. That is all.
 
"Thanks Dad! Great advice. Now why don't you grow a member and then grow a brain and throw in some intelligent debate. If you have something to add about DL or NWA, type away. If you don't, which is highly possible, then maybe you should sit back and browse. Have a great one Dad. " - G. Lee


Do you have some Issues with your Father?

I would think that advice from a Father would be welcomed due to experience.

At the very least, it should not be shunned and/or denigrated.

YKW
 
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