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Leardriver is quite correct. The act of physically manipulating the controls is a very minor part of learning to fly. Much like being employed as a professional pilot; anybody can fly an airplane; it's a monkey skill. We're not paid to fly, but for judgement. The flying is the easy part.

An instructor who does not strive with every ounce of energy to develop judgement in a student has completely failed the student.
 
Did the examiner give you anything more specific as to what was the problem? Did he not maintain glide speed? Did he not make the field? etc...

Also consider having your student have a lesson with another instructor for a second opinion if you feel you have covered all the bases.

Lastly, like you hinted at, the applicant might have just been generally weak in several areas, you need to identify those also. Often when I do checkrides I find that overall a student seems to be struggling with several things and it will be one or two maneuvers that get written up as incomplete along with a recommendation to work on several other areas. Did the examiner give you clear guidance? Did you talk to the DE?
 
johnpeace said:
Does everyone agree? I have been taught not to EVER let my landing field get behind me, which I took to mean don't fly a pattern around the field (since the field would get behind me on the base leg end of my downwind). S-turns or spirals from high altitude down to a straight in final seem preferrable to my CFI (who is sort of new at teaching.

Also, he told me that he failed his comm checkride the first time for flyign a pattern in en emergency engine out. He said the DE wanted him to get above the touchdown point and spiral straight down over the field and set up to land from the last 360.

What is the correct procedure? What procedure will I have to demonstrate when it's time for my comm ride?

In a no wind condition you have to let the point behind you. I think calculating the spiral to come out perfect is more difficult than to adjust the last legs. But that is only my opinion and like I said I don't know much about it only enough that got me through the ride.

Also if at a towered airport they are hardly happy about that. But as far as the pattern goes, I did not mean to fly a perfect rectangular pattern. It all depends on the wind, in extreme conditions you may even turn toward the number right after you are abeam. You taylor the base and final as needed. Actually it is a fun maneuver.
 
The NTSB published a study that might be helpful.
It was written by G.M. Bruggink in 1972. Don’t know if it’s on the web. The title was: “Special Study: Emergency Landing Techniques in Small Fixed-wing Aircraft”
 
It's been my experience that examiners seem to prefer that the procedure be completed as specified in the AFH- after all, it's an FAA book. If you have altitude, pick the landing spot and spiral down over it until you are about 1000'-1500' agl, then turn it into a normal traffic pattern.

The first 3 steps-
Airspeed- Vg
Best Field- Turn in the direction
Carb Heat- On right away

Flow Check
Verify with checklist- altitude permitting
Unable to restart- squawk 7700, tune in 121.5 or best freq., get your mayday call in

When you get to pattern altitude over your field, fly a normal downwind, base, and final. On final you have the Shutdown flow to complete....make sure you at least make time to cut the fuel as post-impact fires have killed people in otherwise survivable crashes.
If you get all those basics done that should keep the examiner happy.
 
OICU812 seems determined to spread stupidity far and wide, perhaps contaminating as many threads as possible before being banned by the moderators. Good luck, kid. Heaven knows that the world needs more fools like you.
 
This Just FWIW,

I was originally taught emergency landings the "book" way, that is a spiral down over the field followed by an abbreviated dowwind, base and final. Somewhere along the way to my Comm/Inst/ME, someone showed me a better way, in my view, which was to hustle right over to final and then fly a series of S-turns on 1/2 mile final or so, until the sight picture looked good to proceed straight in.

The reasoning was it was easier to judge a proper glide from a half mile final, than from downwind to a strange field, AND, most important, never required a 180 degree turn from downwind to final, especially should the pilot find he mis-judged that last 360, and wound up a bit low. That's a recipe for a stall/spin as the pilot (student) tries to stretch the glide and reefs it around at the same time. When S-turning on final, the "runway" is never more than a 90 degree or so turn from aircraft heading, and not nearly so easy to stall/spin if mis-judged or mangled.

When I took my CFI ride from the folks at Ft. Worth FSDO way back around '77 or so, everything was going along fairly well until the examiner pulled the throttle and asked me to teach him an emergency landing, the first words out of my mouth were, "Well, I don't teach this the way the Instructor's Handbook does." Oh, REALLY?" was the reply. (GULP) Anyway, I did the checks, selected a pasture, and then explained "my" method all the way down to 100', (and a darned good setup it was too!). Then the examiner told me to go around, smiled, and said "I liked that, it's exactly how I was taught in the military myself". The rest of the ride was a big chuckle.

I taught that way ever after, and while I don't actively teach any more, I never had a student bust a ride using the S-turn method. ;)
 
Awesome info

Vector4fun,
good info. THe student hasn't called me back yet to start retraining for the one maneuver that he will have to do, as long as it is within the 60 day window.
I like the s-turn approach, but I will teach him both the book way and the alternate S-turn for the final. If he would have done the S-turn...which is what we performed the day prior to the ride, he would have passed...plus he did not clear the engine at all.

bertengineer
 

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