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If you have a some experience, good luck.

If you have 1000-1500 go suck an egg and go get some time in an airplane first
 
COOPERVANE said:
If you have a some experience, good luck.

If you have 1000-1500 go suck an egg and go get some time in an airplane first
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Yeah time building in some little general aviation aircraft will make you much more competent huh? A guy with 1500 hours but several hundred of that in a turbine powered aircraft operating for an airline in and out of the busiest airports in the country, is going to be much more competent than the 2500 hour guy with no airline experience, very little turbine, and consisting of mostly VFR into little uncontrolled fields.

Get over yourself!
 
I think SkyWest may soon!! E120 CA went to 5/05 hire.. Need to have 2500tt 1000crew.

And I dont even think they are done awarding the class. A Newhire told me they are haveing a hard time finding people with the time to upgrade.
 
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jim718181 said:
Good job not answering the question guys. Anyone with useful information?
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i believe gulfstream will be looking for street hires again, good luck :)
 
Has mesa started flying the dash-8s in the northeast yet? I havent seen any around jfk.
 
I wouldnt be surprised. Going to a new airline, new airplane, and to the left seat would be tough. Any truth to the rumor they hire everyone as FOs and then just offer a few CA slots once you are already in the class?
 
Anyone know why Mesa has such a high washout rate for the capt's? Cant you study the material before you start school?
 
chances are, if theres an opportunity to go left seat, the airline isnt one thats a good place to work:

w/ Mesa- enjoy your 8 days off and industry low wages
w/ gojets- just as bad as above and then unless you live in st. louis, good luck trying to jumpseat

its too bad theres little lateral movemoent in this industry, but we all knew what we were signing up for.
 
relief tube said:
its too bad theres little lateral movemoent in this industry, but we all knew what we were signing up for.
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I vehemently disagree with that statement!!! Any brain dead moron who got involved with this profession AFTER 9-11 can be told they knew what they were getting into. But what about all the people like me, who got involved with this profession in year 2000. All the information out there at that time would lead anyone to believe that this is a wise career choice. Contracts were getting better with each signing, just look at United 2000, Delta 2001, Comair 2001, AWAC 2001, and American working to better Delta's contract. Decent QOL, movement within the company, etc.
Not to mention that the regionals made up a generally small percentage of total capacity and the vast majority of regional pilots would have their spot at mainline soon enough. But now the regionals make up a large part of capacity, flying ever larger aircraft, while mainline continues to let routes erode to the regionals. These youngsters who think they are going to make it big at the majors will be sorely dissapointed. I don't understand the ignorance of these guys.
 
jim718181 said:
Anyone know why Mesa has such a high washout rate for the capt's? Cant you study the material before you start school?
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Studying will certainly help if the material is available, but the bottom line is that guys with this level of experience have NO business in the left seat of a dash 8. I feel pretty qualified to make that determination....I am a check airman on the 8.

I think as someone else stated earlier, a new airline, a new air traffic system (for most), a new plane that is not the easiest plane to fly (fun as hell, but an acquired skill)...they just can't keep up.

At this rate, it won't be long before Mesa puts one in the weeds. I sure as hell won't let my family on one of theirs. Consider that the FO has EVEN LESS TIME than the guy in the left seat, or else he would be sitting in the left seat!!

At least at other carriers, the 300-hour wonder pilot in the right seat is sitting next to some crusty old a$$ dude what has been there for years. There is a reason why they call it "paying your dues."
 
But with Mesa having 13 bid periods a year, are they really that underpaid compared to other regionals? Beyond that, are they any worse than the other regionals for treating their employees?
 
20sx said:
But with Mesa having 13 bid periods a year, are they really that underpaid compared to other regionals? Beyond that, are they any worse than the other regionals for treating their employees?
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Something to think about....here we are, reasonably intelligent men who paid at least 20 grand for our education at the low end, and up to over 100 grand for those of us who chose non-traditionl paths to the airlines, and here we are asking questions like....are we THAT underpaid if we work for this or that airline?.....are they any WORSE than brand X airline in how they treat their employees?

I am sitting home collecting unemployment because I refuse to partake in any airline pilot job that pays as low as the regionals do. I won't set foot in an airliner as a pilot for the unconscionable pay they have the audacity to provide. Until the rest of you join me, we will never be paid what the job is worth.

I challenge those of you to ask as many non-aviation related people if they think what a regional pilot is paid is adequate for the responsibility involved. Not to mention all the time away from home and 12 to 16 hour duty days. I tell as many people as I can and have yet to find one person who says we are paid fairly.

FCUK MESA!!! And the other regionals for that matter!!
 
You make a good point about the regional lifestyle. I'm not sure if the regionals were supposed to be a career move anyway, but that all changed when the majors moved their flying jobs to the regionals. I too got out of the airline business when I got furloughed from my last job a year and a half ago. I swore i would never go back, but here I am lurking and really thinking about going back. I see Continental and Southwest are hiring, and I get envious for those jobs. Meanwhile, the people who work at mesa and other so-called bottom scum are getting the PIC they need and are getting those jobs. I'm about ready to suck it up and do what they have done...there is no real hope for the regional level when everyone is competing against each other for the regional flying handouts.
Right now that Dash street captain at Mesa is looking good....
 
federico said:
Why dont you get in line just like everyone else.
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Thats a stupid statement! This is one of the few careers where it is very difficult to even make a lateral move from company to company and maintain your pay. Most other professions you can leave one job for a better paying job right from the start. This profession makes it hard for older folks(30+) to try to salvage their careers. Maybe these 20 somethings with no bills and no wife and no kids and basically no responsibility, can live off this travesty called regional FO pilot pay, but those of us 30+ in age without the flight time needed to get hired at a career airline and who have adult financial obligations and adult responsibilities cannot live on 20 to 30 grand a year that the regional pukes pay.

Besides, Mesa's 39 an hour rate as Dash 8 Captain is atrocious! This career is set up in a way so that if there are any bumps in your career path whatsoever like furlough, chapter 7, fired, etc etc, you are hard pressed to get anywhere. If you can't get to a career airline by 35 to 40, you are basically screwed. You will be 50 years old and still a junior captain if you're lucky, with crappy QOL, holidays on the road, and little time off. Not how I want to be working in my 50s.

Bottom line is this, if you can get a left seat position from the start, do it!!
 
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I agree with pipe jockey, any quick path to the left seat for PIC time even on a prop is better than any SIC jet time. I am high time and alot of time in the CRJ, but lack of PIC turbine gets me nowhere. After 5 1/2 years at ACA/FLYI, I couldn't find a job except other regionals. I chose AWAC because I was already trained and current on the RJ, and training was stress free, just had to learn different procedures. But it does suck that as someone experienced on the plane, has to come in like a new hire down on the bottom of the seniority list, which is fine and can be expected, but starting all over at first year pay, bites the big one. i am lucky i had money put away. And at my age, I can't keep jumping from job to job. So, if I am going to stay in the industry, I will stay where I am and suck it up. Besides this industry runs in cycles, and I do not care what people say, when the UALs, Deltas , Americans have their older pilots retire, they'll need to hire off the streets and trust me, they'll get slammed with resumes.
Just my $.02
 
jim718181 said:
Good job not answering the question guys. Anyone with useful information?
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Answer something for us, since we don't know much about you. Do you have time in a two crew enviroment? (either with or being a CFI,or other types of flying) How much CRM experience do you have? Are you truly ready to be a Captain, or are you just looking for a short cut?

Sorry to sound so harsh, but having flown with Captains who never spent a day having to get along with others, I don't have much "love" for "Street Captains".
 
I chose the option of going back to the commuters for a street captain job over taking a right seat fo job at a brandx carrier that I didn't want to stay at. I thought it would make me more marketable to be a captain on a turboprop then an gear puller. The pay was no less then I had made in the previous ten years. Turboprop pay has always sucked and entry level jet pay at nonmajors sucks also. If you stay at those nonmajor jobs, the captain pay sucks for a career choice too. So I sucked it up, went back for a crappy year and left a year later for even less pay at a major. It was a trend in the industry that I took advantage of. I made it work, but it wasn't fun at first.
 
Exskydiverdriver, yes I was a cfi with about 1000 dual given. I have since taken a job flying frieght in a c-210 and I love it. For all the whining and moaning I hear on this board I will come out and say I really enjoy my job. If there was more money in it I would absolutly make a career out of hauling bank checks around Florida. The problem is if I tried I could get on with most regionals now. Although I would enjoy it I dont wanna stay where I am at for the next 2-3 years if its not going to help me advance my career. I guess to answer your question I am just looking for a shortcut. If at the end of that 2-3 years I could make 40k and start building 121 pic turbine time I would do it despite what anyone at the airline or on this board thought.
 
Skywest should be hiring street captains soon. We'll be running through the upgrade list pretty quickly in the Brasilia. I'm sure most of our pilots hired after 5/05 don't have the times (2500 total/1000 crew) to upgrade or they want to go to the jet.
 
if you are interested in mesa , make sure you have 1 of these requirements for a type rating in a simulator...


) Hold a type rating for a turbojet airplane of the same class of
airplane for which the type rating is sought, or have been designated by
a military service as a pilot in command of an airplane of the same
class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, if a turbojet
type rating is sought;
(B) Hold a type rating for a turbopropeller airplane of the same
class as the airplane for which the type rating is sought, or have been
appointed by a military service as a pilot in command of an airplane of
the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, if a
turbopropeller airplane type rating is sought;
(C) Have at least 2,000 hours of flight time, of which 500 hours
must be in turbine-powered airplanes of the same class as the airplane
for which the type rating is sought;
(D) Have at least 500 hours of flight time in the same type of
airplane as the airplane for which the type rating is sought; or
(E) Have at least 1,000 hours of flight time in at least two
different airplanes requiring a type rating.
 

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