Strategy for AWA pilots

[eaglefly]

I've been thinking on how the AWA pilots and management can fend off the east coast based terrorists who've hijacked their airline. They cant turn back time and unass this albatross, so damage control is mandatory.

As a preface, it's clearly in the best interests of Parker's managment team to difuse the huge threat to the survival of their airline, so it's in their business to work WITH the former AWA ALPA pilots and AWA pilots in general.

With that in mind, Parker's team needs to meet with the AWA pilots and insure a method to thin the U side down to a minority. Once that can occur, then that will emasculate the terrorists to a minority who can neither force a new contract, nor terrorize further.

THEN, a NEW drive to recertify ALPA to right the ship there could garner a majority. In the long term, this is in Parker's best interest (especially if he wants to merge) as well as the victims of the attack on their company as additionally, should a another future merger be considered, no other carrier will be interestsed in inheriting terrorists in a post 9/11 world.

Until that is accomplished, they could bleed the East slowly to minority and isolate their influence while working with the West for the benefit of all (except the terrorists). I'm sure Parker would much prefer the past advesarial relationship with AWA ALPA, as troublesome as it was, to the impending disaster that is unfolding.

Time is of the essance and Parker must remember one truth.

You must NEVER negotiate with terrorists.

The new program could be called AIA.

Action In Arizona.

 

[BEfly]

good luck

 

[eaglefly]

good luck

I've got my popcorn, but that's what I'd be advocating if I was an Arizona boy.

They must go on the offensive against Al-Usapa.

 

[Redmeat]

I've been thinking on how the AWA pilots and management can fend off the east coast based terrorists who've hijacked their airline. They cant turn back time and unass this albatross, so damage control is mandatory.

As a preface, it's clearly in the best interests of Parker's managment team to difuse the huge threat to the survival of their airline, so it's in their business to work WITH the former AWA ALPA pilots and AWA pilots in general.

With that in mind, Parker's team needs to meet with the AWA pilots and insure a method to thin the U side down to a minority. Once that can occur, then that will emasculate the terrorists to a minority who can neither force a new contract, nor terrorize further.

THEN, a NEW drive to recertify ALPA to right the ship there could garner a majority. In the long term, this is in Parker's best interest (especially if he wants to merge) as well as the victims of the attack on their company as additionally, should a another future merger be considered, no other carrier will be interestsed in inheriting terrorists in a post 9/11 world.

Until that is accomplished, they could bleed the East slowly to minority and isolate their influence while working with the West for the benefit of all (except the terrorists). I'm sure Parker would much prefer the past advesarial relationship with AWA ALPA, as troublesome as it was, to the impending disaster that is unfolding.

Time is of the essance and Parker must remember one truth.

You must NEVER negotiate with terrorists.

The new program could be called AIA.

Action In Arizona.

That's dumb but I'll entertain you...

The east has strategic location/bases/International capability necessary as a basic foundation for theoretically unlimited growth.

You ain't gonna be able to build much of a house on PHX/LAS bases with 320's/737's as a foundation.

 

[becket]

There's an easier strategy...never pay them, never do what they ask, sue them individually and as a group, and leave no stone unturned to frustrate and trip up their actions.

That is what's being done, I sent my 500 to AWAPPA two days ago. Speaking with their treasurer, it seems that they are quickly getting flooded with cash. In fact, AWAPPA is looking into purchasing ALPA's services for their members just like SWA and APA does. ALPA is more than interested to help our cause.

USCABA can't produce anything close anyway. We'll just ignore them as our bargaining agent and do as we want.

 

[BeCareful!]

Good plan, eaglefly!

Now we all know that none of the West pilots want to commute to the East, right? I mean, that's what they all say. So, who's gonna fly all the profitable routes on the East coast? (most revenue is produced by the East....in fact, the West ops lose money at times.)

Then, when you get ALPA back in here, um, that's going to help the company? How? Is it because ALPA pilots work cheaper? What? After retraining half the East operation they'll have to work really, really cheap to make up for it all.

That's OK, I know ALPA would be up to the task. Just get the former CLT reps in there!

 

[Redmeat]

There's an easier strategy...never pay them, never do what they ask, sue them individually and as a group, and leave no stone unturned to frustrate and trip up their actions.

That is what's being done, I sent my 500 to AWAPPA two days ago. Speaking with their treasurer, it seems that they are quickly getting flooded with cash. In fact, AWAPPA is looking into purchasing ALPA's services for their members just like SWA and APA does. ALPA is more than interested to help our cause.

USCABA can't produce anything close anyway. We'll just ignore them as our bargaining agent and do as we want.

You do understand that you might be 'getting back' at the easties but your actions will now be hurting the company overall...just as the easties actions did by walking away from contract negotiations.

So the 'professional' westies decided to be not so professional after all. West meet East...pot meet kettle...with AWAPPA you guys are now two pees in a pod.

Good Luck to you all cause your gonna need it.

 

[PHXFLYR]

That's funny. We have what 50 or so scabs at AWA and now we're a scab outfit? How many do United and Continental have? Is United a scab outfit? Continental? I'm sure if Us Airways pilots had ever had the b#lls to go on strike you would now have a few scabs there as well. Go for a walk man....enjoy the sun, try yoga, drink some green tea, get a girlfriend. that anger is going to kill you...

Gee ....Only a few ??? Hell , Be Careful would probably be the first to cross the line. He already showed his true colors when he stole an RJ captain seat from all those senior PSA F/O's as a new hire after he got furloughed from mainline. No doubt he'll be ready to sell the rest of us down the river, should the opportunity present itself again.

PHXFLYR

 

[Redmeat]

Also, it's "peas in a pod" not "Pees in a pod" huge difference.

That was probably Freudian on my part.

In any case it is a pisser.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

You ain't gonna be able to build much of a house on PHX/LAS bases with 320's/737's as a foundation.

It was working well enough for us to buy you.

 

[imacdog]

The east has strategic location/bases/International capability necessary as a basic foundation for theoretically unlimited growth.

You ain't gonna be able to build much of a house on PHX/LAS bases with 320's/737's as a foundation.

They already did by buying your operation.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Parker is not going to support the west pilots. He puts no value on loyalty, but he does value having a non-union pilot force which is what the east delivered to him cloaked as something called USAPA.

Getting ALPA back has some advantages, but maybe after Nicolau is implemented (probably under LOA 93, unfortunately).

What USAPA won't accept is that they have greased the rails for Nicolau to be implemented by eliminating the need for independent ratification on both sides and LOA 93 being jammed down the west's throat per the Hemminway letter. Once USAPA's failures become public humiliation, ALPA will be a shoe-in.

Or maybe an in-house lead by the only ones to actually produce anything meaningful so far - the West labor leaders (AWAPPA).

 

[145BOSS]

As an outsider looking in with an honest question. Does USAir management have to honor a new seniority list if implemented by USAPA? Why would management sign off on a seniority list that will cost them millions in training cost as they furlough qualified pilots just to replace them with pilots from the same list. It also seems that their payroll cost would go throught the roof as they replaced fairly new West pilots with East pilots who would be at the top of the payscales. I'm sure the USAir management is thrilled that the pilot groups are fighting each other, but it does seem like a USAPA seniority list could be pricey for them.

 

[TWA Dude]

Does USAir management have to honor a new seniority list if implemented by USAPA?

USAPA can't implement anything. Management would have to agree to a new list and there's no reason for them to do so -- especially knowing it'll make the West go ballistic.

 

[iflyhigh]

Anyone see how much LCC lost today, 236 million.

Does anyone see how any contract with either ALPA or USAPA is even going to be negiotiated.

Unless USAPA really follows through with their cost neutral contract proposal to management, the pilots are going to be a long time getting a contract. Everyone elses contracts, except the pilots and FA, are pretty much done. FA's, I have been told, should have a tentative by fall. The pilots won't have one till 2010 or 2011, maybe. I think the only thing that is going to change this is another merger or fragmentation.

But than again, I did not sleep at a Holiday Inn last night so what do I know.

 

[Colonel Savage]

He already showed his true colors when he stole an RJ captain seat from all those senior PSA F/O's as a new hire after he got furloughed from mainline.

I assume that was part of the Jets for Jobs program created by ALPA.

I take it you had some issues with that program?

 

[Dr. Rumack]

At least we have profit sharing!!!

 

[Colonel Savage]

But than again, I did not sleep at a Holiday Inn last night...

Did anyone in this industry sleep at all last night, I think is the question...

 

[reepicheep]

The easts' northeast empire is so strong that usair lost $5 billion in a decade-and-a-half leading up to the merger. The east lost about a million bucks a day, for nearly two decades. The east lost money with a great pilot contract, they lost money with a rock-bottom pilot contract. In fact you'd have to look hard to find a better example of a business model that is an utter failure.

No sour grapes here - just look at the hard facts. It don't work.

 

[Crzipilot]

Just curious, and haven't looked it up, but wasn't there something that after a NMB election, there can't be another one held for 2 years??? Or is that only if no union was elected?

Oh yeah,,,, Uhmmm..that stealing of the capt seat. that was thought up, dreamt up, signed off and put in place by ALPA....soooooooo I guess ALPA is a scab?