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100LL... Again!

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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040721-101403-1508r.htm


One potential solution to this airborne, is at the first sign of this sort of activity, the ten biggest American dudes on board get up, escort these guys to their seats, allow no communication other than in english, and supervise bathroom visits.

If it turns out they are innocent, well, IT IS HIGH F-ING TIME THAT THEY SHOW US SOME OF THE "SENSITIVITY" THAT THEY DEMAND.

If they become offended. GO THE F BACK TO YOUR CAMEL AND TENT.

Or I can 'profile' their noggin with the nearest fire extinguisher.

Go on, atl and flyfast, lets get the 'defend the terrorist' faction ramped up.

Traitors.
 
There you go again my little cone-headed, fundamentalist, Nazi friend. Name-calling.

News flash, butt-wipe ... not everyone who disagrees with your very own little skewed world view is a moron. In fact, most have shown far more maturity and intellectual capacity than you have. And not everyone who disagrees with our current administration and it's policies is a traitor. Dissent and discussion are fundamental to a free society, and those who label anyone in disagreement as unpatriotic are kindred spirits to that other group of wild-eyed, nationalist zealots in Northen Europe who wanted everyone to march in step with the National Socialist Party. You're in good company, d!cklicker.

I disagree with ATL on profiling, and I believe that given the current situation we should take another look at it. We simply cannot afford to lose even one more American life to these nutjobs. But just because he and I disagree doesn't mean I can't respect his opinion and must resort to insults.

Grow up 100LL ... and you'll get a lot more respect, too. In the meantime, every time you start insulting someone I'm going to butt in and return the favor. I'm going to see just how immature and caustic I can be towards you. Maybe you'll get the point eventually.

Minh
 
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Snakum said:
There you go again my little cone-headed, fundamentalist, Nazi friend. Name-calling.

News flash, butt-wipe ...

Dissent and discussion are fundamental to a free society,

... You're in good company, d!cklicker.

But just because he and I disagree doesn't mean I can't respect his opinion and must resort to insults.

Grow up 100LL ... and you'll get a lot more respect, too.

... every time you start insulting someone I'm going to butt in and return the favor.

I'm going to see just how immature and caustic I can be towards you. Maybe you'll get the point eventually.

Minh
Is it just me, or is this post pregnant with irony?
 
Is it just me, or is this post pregnant with irony?
It's just you. And by the way ... where are my grammar and spelling corrections? :D

Minh

(Tony ... I'm just holding up a mirror to 100LL, and showing him what it feels like when people are rude and insulting when it's not necessary. Oddly enough ... I'm finding it's very cathartic. :D )
 
Snakum,

Very well put, I couldn't have said it any better myself. . Fortunately his (100's) views will never become a reality nor will his suggested ideas ever be put into place so no worries my friend. It is nice to read posts that are far off in "right field" sometimes, especially when you know that they will never come to light.


3 5 0
 
Just wait. I'm a patient guy.

The ultimate failure of liberalism is only a matter of time.

Also, as long as I continue to irritate lefties, I will do so.

Not because I expect them to change, but because they deserve to be irritated.

Cheap entertainment.
 
100LL... Again! said:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040721-101403-1508r.htm


One potential solution to this airborne, is at the first sign of this sort of activity, the ten biggest American dudes on board get up, escort these guys to their seats, allow no communication other than in english, and supervise bathroom visits.

If it turns out they are innocent, well, IT IS HIGH F-ING TIME THAT THEY SHOW US SOME OF THE "SENSITIVITY" THAT THEY DEMAND.

If they become offended. GO THE F BACK TO YOUR CAMEL AND TENT.

Or I can 'profile' their noggin with the nearest fire extinguisher.

Go on, atl and flyfast, lets get the 'defend the terrorist' faction ramped up.

Traitors.
One more time....are you legally retarded?
 
The ultimate failure of liberalism is only a matter of time.
I could care less, because I'm not a liberal. They won't let me join because I believe in a strong military, that 'gun control' means a steady aim, that abortion is murder, that racial profiling is a necessary evil, that John Edwards is a sleazy opportunist and a pathological liar, and that spotted owls are expendable if it means even one American head of household is without a job.

However, I don't fit the other side, either, because nutjobs like you give me the dry heaves. And when a right-wing nutter such as yourself is in a position of power a la John Himmler-Asscroft ... well ... let's just say we all need to be extra vigilant about who's taking liberties with our liberty. I'm also a Buddhist/Humanist, a vegetarian, I think the death penalty is outdated, hideous, and uncivilized, that the problem with crime in the inner cities will NEVER be solved by building more prisons, and that there's nothing wrong with a five-day waiting period for a handgun (who doesn't plan at least five days ahead for a hunting/target-shooting expedition?).

So you see ... I don't really have a dog in the political fight. All politicians, without exception, are opportunistic, self-serving, corrupt, corporate whores. It's just when I see right-wing nutjobs like you screaming and ranting so illogically and making no sense at all ... I just have to jump in.

You're a complete nutter 100LL, and an absolute tool ... did you know that?

Minh
 
HI!

Profiling doesn't work. Why?

There are scientific arguments that prove it, but U don't need that, all you need to do is think a little.

If there is a certain type of person who is always stopped and searched, and no one else is, will the terrorists use that type of person for an attack? Of course not-they know that type of person won't make it through security.

There are 2 things that work, and one is impractical. One is to stop EVERY person and do a long and complex intelligence probe of everyone. This is, obviously, impractical.


The one that works is RANDOM thorough searches. EVERYONE is subject to this intelligence probe, and there is no way for terrorists to recruit a type of person to make it past this check, as it is RANDOM.

Example:
El Al identified a white/Caucasian American woman for a very detailed additional security screening. They found, through no fault of her own, a bomb in her luggage. They determined that she was innocent, and let her fly after removing the bomb. If there was profiling, they would've let her through, as she was obviously not an Arab or (supposedly) a potential terrorist.

CLiff
DTW

PS-If U'd like more info on the above situation, let me know.
 
Quote from the article:
A second pilot said that, on one of his recent flights, an air marshal forced his way into the lavatory at the front of his plane after a man of Middle Eastern descent locked himself in for a long period.
The marshal found the mirror had been removed and the man was attempting to break through the wall. The cockpit was on the other side.
I'm a bit leary of all these unsourced/anonymous accusations and stories floating around, but if they are true, there is definitely plenty of cause for concern. It is abundantly obvious that the current "security" in place is NOT WORKING and something needs to change.

Now, seeing as I'm not a bombmaker myself, I don't have a lot of experience in this area, but logic dictates that, even if you make a bomb out of parts you smuggle onboard, you need something explosive in there. Why can't we detect that? I mean, seriously, terrorists aren't going to use a lethal combination of baking soda and vinegar.

Does anybody have any productive ideas for changing the system, besides the whole profiling debate?

Peter
 
100LL... Again! said:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040721-101403-1508r.htm


One potential solution to this airborne, is at the first sign of this sort of activity, the ten biggest American dudes on board get up, escort these guys to their seats, allow no communication other than in english, and supervise bathroom visits.

If it turns out they are innocent, well, IT IS HIGH F-ING TIME THAT THEY SHOW US SOME OF THE "SENSITIVITY" THAT THEY DEMAND.

If they become offended. GO THE F BACK TO YOUR CAMEL AND TENT.

Or I can 'profile' their noggin with the nearest fire extinguisher.

Go on, atl and flyfast, lets get the 'defend the terrorist' faction ramped up.

Traitors.
Maybe you could give em a good old fashioned anal cavity probation. Just in case they got something up their sleeves.
 
Speak Up

wxman13 said:
Quote from the article:
I'm a bit leary of all these unsourced/anonymous accusations and stories floating around, but if they are true, there is definitely plenty of cause for concern. .................................. Does anybody have any productive ideas for changing the system, besides the whole profiling debate? Peter
The CIA have profiles on terrorists already. They know who most of the members of these groups are. The job of CIA is to tail these individuals and record their activities. They also monitor telephone communications, light signals and smoke signals emitted from any of these individuals.

The problem is acting on information before the terrorists have a chance to do something illegal. The biggest deterrent in stopping a crime is knowledge. In America we act on crime after the fact. The new Bush Doctrine provides that action can legally be taken before the fact in the case of a Clear and Present Danger.

Being a field operative in the CIA is a very boring and tedious job considering their pay check reflects how well they can keep their mark in sight without being detected. They make mistakes. Our job as citizen is to be AWARE of our community. Know what is going on in your neighborhoods.

Protect your civil rights or they will be gone; taken from us by our own government dedicated to not being replaced. What can one person do? Speak up when fringe liberties are taken by officials. If your company demands to search your body, house or urine at random in order to keep your job, well you have to allow it to survive but you don't have to be silent about it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get back bone and speak up. :)

Another comment from the peanut gallery.

If your newspaper is hyping stories to excite the public to do damages to others property, person or reputation bring it forward to be exposed.

If you are being pressured to be silent speak louder.

If you are frightened by a group in an airplane, ellevator or office building; introduce yourself to them. Interject a change in their direction, interupt them. Knowledge is the best deterrent.
 
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Chocks,


Was your avitar picture taken at a hotel in Nassau?

Looks alot like one I took a few months back! except I was barefoot and holding a different brand of beer!!
 
Chocks said:
Dude, you spelled "knowledge" wrong.
Dude, he spelled "elevator" wrong as well. Since it is nomenclature common to aircraft, one can only assume that he is a collaborator.
 
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Fn Fal

Thanks again; you must be a student at TonyC University. No elevators on helicopters. :) No, No, not a collaborator; a dove with teeth. :D
 
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ThomasR said:
Thanks again; you must be a student at TonyC University. No elevators on helicopters. :) No, No, not a collaborator; a dove with teeth. :D
Haha...Just giving you crap man!
 
From the Scotsman at http://news.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=841042004

"Other reported incidents on recent flights have included a Middle East passenger being caught in the toilet trying to break through the wall towards the cockpit."
Is airline correctness getting it all wrong?

FEW documents will have a more searing effect on US security and intelligence operations than the report of the commission on the 11 September attacks. We hope. Almost three years after the hijacks, surely such appalling attacks could not be repeated?

Think again. Two reports from the US of disturbing incidents on recent flights suggest that the danger of terror hijack may be as "clear and present" as ever - certainly in the mind of passengers.

One account, by an American woman journalist, describes highly unusual behaviour by a group of 14 Middle East passengers on board a Northwest Airlines Flight 327 on 29 June from Detroit to Los Angeles. The movements of the 14, which terrified a number of passengers, suggested an intelligence-gathering operation by terrorists. Other reported incidents on recent flights have included a Middle East passenger being caught in the toilet trying to break through the wall towards the cockpit.

These reports come in the wake of a January FBI report that suicide terrorists were plotting to hijack transatlantic planes by smuggling "ready-to-build" bomb kits past airport security and later assembling the explosives in aircraft bathrooms.

While such reports need to be carefully studied and researched, what is also disturbing and not easily dismissed is the flow of corroborative accounts these reports have triggered both from airline passengers and crew. These would seem to suggest that the incident on the video clip showing the 9/11 hijackers passing through security checks to board the plane may not be as historic as we would wish it to be.

And the reason for that may have less to do with slack airport security or faulty technology than with legislation forbidding discrimination. This works to prevent effective screening of passengers with certain ethnic backgrounds. Airlines are only allowed to scrutinise intensely two Middle Eastern passengers (or any other ethnic group) per flight, or they can be - and have been - sued. Consequently, a group of half-a-dozen Syrians cannot be taken aside by the airline and investigated.

We have to ask whether we have a "security" problem in the real sense or a political problem in the reluctance to face the consequences of rigorous enforcement of the Human Rights Act.

The first report, by Annie Jacobsen, a business and finance writer for the online magazine Women’s Wall Street, centred on the unusual behaviour of a group of an initially unconnected Syrians who began congregating in groups of two or three throughout the flight and consecutively filed in and out of bathrooms. Her account was confirmed by David Adams, spokesman for the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Federal Air Marshal Service, who said officers were on board throughout the flight. Nothing suspicious was found in the toilets, "but there was enough of a suspicious nature for the FAMS, passengers and crew to take notice".

The men were taken into custody at Los Angeles and later released after questioning. They claimed to be a group of musicians travelling to a performance, and were on no terror suspect list.

Geoff Boettcher, an airline pilot and a director of the Allied Pilots Association, has said that Mrs Jacobsen’s incident "is not a singular or isolated experience. The terrorists are probing us all the time". Mr Boettcher said captains have been trying to speak out on this, but so far their words have been falling on deaf ears.

It is telling in this context that the 11 September Commission’s report documents the patience and determination of the hijackers and how they explored weaknesses in airline and border procedures, even taking test flights to see when cockpit doors were open.

According to Mark Bogosian, a pilot for American Airlines, such incidents "occur more than you like to think. It’s a ‘dirty little secret’ that all of us, as crew members, have known about for quite some time."

Rand Peck, captain for a major US airline, said he was "deeply bothered" by the inconsistencies he sees at the Transport and Security Administration. "I’ve observed matronly grandmothers practically disrobed at security checkpoints and five-year-old blond boys turned inside out, while Middle Eastern males sail through undetained.

"We have little to fear from grandmothers and little boys. But Middle Eastern males are protected, not by our Constitution, but from our current popular policy of political correctness and a desire to offend no-one at any cost, regardless of how many airplanes and bodies litter the landscape."

None of this should obscure the broader security lapses in the run-up to 11 September or detract from the report’s recommendations, already being described as the most sweeping shake-up of the Central Intelligence Agency since the Second World War. Proposals include the creation of a national counter-terrorism centre and the establishment of a new national intelligence director.

An attack of even greater magnitude is now possible and even probable, the report finds. "We do not have the luxury of time. We must prepare and we must act," said the Commission chairman, Thomas Kean.

What the report did not present was a wider assessment of the "war against terror", and here a long, hard assessment is surely now needed on whether America is winning this war - or losing it.

According to Anthony Cordesman, of the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, nothing suggests that Islamic extremism and terrorism have been eliminated in a single country. On the contrary, new leaders and fighters have emerged.

The International Institute of Strategic Studies recently estimated that al-Qaeda and its affiliates are now some 18,000 strong, many joining as a direct result of the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts. The 9/11 Commission is all very well, but it means little without a more coherent US policy to contain and discourage terrorism across the Middle East.

In the meantime, millions of airline travellers will judge the extent of effective security by what they see on the ground at airports. The overwhelming majority want to see real, evident specific examples of tighter screening as passengers board planes.

But while this seems an obvious point to most, not everyone agrees, and not all the reaction to Mrs Jacobsen’s piece has been favourable. Many e-mails were sent in calling her a racist for referring to 14 men with Syrian passports as Syrian men.

And a 9/11 Commission member, John Lehman, stated back in April that "it was the policy before 9/11 and remains the policy today to fine airlines if they have more than two young Arab males in secondary questioning because that’s discriminatory".

Indeed, post-9/11 complaints have been filed against United Airlines (settled by a payment of $1.5 million in November 2003), against American Airlines (settled in March 2004 for $1.5 million) and against Continental Airlines (settled in April for $0.5 million).

And this, in Mrs Jacobsen’s view, takes us to the heart of the matter: political correctness. This, she writes, "has become a major roadblock for airline safety. From what I’ve now learned from the many e-mails and phone calls that I have had with airline industry personnel, it is political correctness that will eventually cause us to stand there wondering: How did we let 9/11 happen again?"
 

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