Stop blaming the Delta TA

[titans10]

Wave,

We can blame you for it to. As i stated to you before. It is getting old. You went to fly at a regional by choice. A lot of others did not. You did buy your type. A lot of others did not ever pay for training. I did neither. It was your choice. Move on.

 

[waveflyer]

Be tired of it.
For all the selling out im responsible for, I never VOTED to outsource one single airframe.

 

[Scoot 11]

Be tired of it.
For all the selling out im responsible for, I never VOTED to outsource one single airframe.

No, your hypocrisy led you to take that outsourced job. Then topped it all off by signing up for pay for training!

 

[BrickTop]

Another angry junior regional pilot. I hear ya. This career has been a total
bust for most of us.

Not the least bit angry. I started and own a business, develop products, collect on rentals and earn a great living. I still fly and enjoy it. I just stopped relying on it for a the income I need to bring my life what I sought. I've accepted my position and its likely future. Forming an alternative has provided far greater reward that logging onto a forum and verbally bashing my industry counterparts.

 

[IBNAV8R]

That is incorrect. You must not be familiar with the home construction industry. Wages for skilled labor rise and fall with aggregate demand. And I'm sure that if I sat down and thought about this for a while, there would be many other occupations that have seen wages rise commensurate with labor supply shortfalls.

Construction, nursing, teaching, fracking, mining, roughnecking, as will piloting, are affected by CURRENT shortages - not projected shortages. Thus, the initial statement is correct.

WHEN the shortage hits, something will happen. I would speculate that airlines will bemoan a "national crisis" and twist regulators' arms to minimize it's effect and keep wages low. There will be all kinds of exceptions and waivers to the 1,500TT rule and the airlines will push to delete ANY age requirement (gladly paying senior pilots max-capped wages so as not to increase pay for anyone else). We might well see a 250-hour MPLs before wages, benefits and prestige come back to this profession.

 

[waveflyer]

Scoot, you're so stupid you're irrelevant- back on my version of the ignore list
(you know, where I don't put you on an ignore list- I just ignore you)

 

[waveflyer]

Well bricktop, it's not an either/or thing for me. My business gives me a challenge, and satisfaction flying usually doesn't anymore- and income that I won't make as a pilot-
But I reserve the right to call a spade a spade here on FI.

 

[Lyconit]

asses your position.

I think this has already been going on for a long time...

 

[titans10]

Be tired of it.
For all the selling out im responsible for, I never VOTED to outsource one single airframe.

I NEVER voted for it, never flown them and never PFT. Never will.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Not the least bit angry. I started and own a business, develop products, collect on rentals and earn a great living. I still fly and enjoy it. I just stopped relying on it for a the income I need to bring my life what I sought. I've accepted my position and its likely future. Forming an alternative has provided far greater reward that logging onto a forum and verbally bashing my industry counterparts.

Well played and well said Bricktop.....Good Luck!

 

[Twisted Mind]

Titans10,

You should consider yourself very lucky. Not every one is lucky enough to have entered the profession when you did. Wave took what guys like you left for him to take.

 

[waveflyer]

Well, true enough, but it was a conscious sell out. Simply got tired of fighting the water, and needed health insurance while we began the business - and it helped to stay current-
And my legacy was in real danger of liquidation- it wasn't as if I could absolutely bank on my seniority number being there if I went to "sell cars" as another suggested. And Im still living a childhood dream of flying airliners.
But I hated flying airplanes that big for a regional.
I absolutely disagreed.
And still do.
Think what you want about my selling out, but it is absolutely unrealistic to expect trained, invested, willful pilots to give up on their careers bc you decide to vote their job off the property.

 

[Twisted Mind]

Wave,

I agree with you. You did what you pretty much had to to say in the industry. What a lot of old legacy pilots don't understand is people can't just sit ion the sidelines and wait for things to get better.

 

[titans10]

Titans10,

You should consider yourself very lucky. Not every one is lucky enough to have entered the profession when you did. Wave took what guys like you left for him to take.

I am not luck I was furloughed 5 plus years. I was trying to find a job in the 90's when almost every commuter/regionals was hiring. Never considered PFT. I was not lucky as you said. I just stayed where I was. I did not sell out.

 

[titans10]

Wave,

I agree with you. You did what you pretty much had to to say in the industry. What a lot of old legacy pilots don't understand is people can't just sit ion the sidelines and wait for things to get better.

Disagree I and every other furlough guy I know did not do what wave did. Over 50 that I know of.

 

[titans10]

Well, true enough, but it was a conscious sell out. Simply got tired of fighting the water, and needed health insurance while we began the business - and it helped to stay current-
And my legacy was in real danger of liquidation- it wasn't as if I could absolutely bank on my seniority number being there if I went to "sell cars" as another suggested. And Im still living a childhood dream of flying airliners.
But I hated flying airplanes that big for a regional.
I absolutely disagreed.
And still do.
Think what you want about my selling out, but it is absolutely unrealistic to expect trained, invested, willful pilots to give up on their careers bc you decide to vote their job off the property.

Wave,

You had a choice like I and others had. I did a lot of other jobs as did others. Don 't make excuses.

 

[Twisted Mind]

titans,

That is it? One five year furlough. If that is your idea of bad luck. I would like some of your bad luck.

 

[waveflyer]

Wave,

You had a choice like I and others had. I did a lot of other jobs as did others. Don 't make excuses.

What excuse? I said it was a sellout. But with all the objectivity I can summon, it doesn't hold a candle to those who actually VOTE to outsource. And I don't understand the point titans. Are you really counting on the furloughed and up and coming who are fighting for a career to hold the line AFTER major airline pilots voted to outsource? Is that what you were expecting?

 

[SWA Bubba]

Wave,

You had a choice like I and others had. I did a lot of other jobs as did others. Don 't make excuses.

I'm a little confused here--maybe I don't understand exactly what you're accusing each other of, but what's the issue? I can see someone arguing that a legacy might be "selling out" by agreeing to outsourcing for something in return. I'm not giving anyone crap for this, but I can see the rationale behind the argument. They're "selling" some of their flying for raises or other benefit. Got it.

But how is the pilot who takes a regional job a sellout? It wasn't his idea; he didn't have any part in the creation of his position. He just took a job that was freely offered out. How does a legacy pilot "sell" or agree to outsource some of his flying in return for a raise upfront, and then have the nerve to bitch at the guy who took the job that his deal created? He didn't create this situation; you did. If you don't want a regional pilot flying "your" passengers, then don't give away or sell that flying. Don't blame him for buying what you freely sold.

I dunno; maybe I'm looking at this wrong.

Bubba

 

[Twisted Mind]

Bubba,

Exactly! Then they make it a requirement to work at said sold out position to get to the "good job".