Stolen items from crew bags in ATL

[FL000]

The "ain't my job" jab wasn't directed at you or any ramper, but rather the managers who have created that sentiment through zones.

Also, I wasn't referring to moving the airplane to another open space. I was talking about when I'm sitting there in front of an open space, the one meant for my plane, and I can't park because there's no one in "our zone" to park us. However, there are 3 able-bodied rampers staring at us, but they can't do anything because it's not their zone. That has to change if we want to be the "best regional."

By the way, does anyone have an extra set of the "Vision" tapes. I think we all need to listen to those again (again?).

 

[WileE]

LIT followed by PHL.

Those two have my votes for the worst attitudes I've seen among rampers. Maybe this would be a fun poll for venting?

 

[captainv]

PA-44Typed,

nice to hear the perspective from the rampers side of things. that's a voice we could use more of on this board.

btw, is the depature coordinator the one who keeps track of a/c out times? a lot of my off times out of ATL are wrong, no matter what i call in to Ops.

the service in ATL has certainly improved since i started coming in there, but for us CMR guys it's still one of the worst in terms of getting serviced and staying on time. we know you guys are short-staffed down there, but if i really need something, i'll keep asking.

as far as the zone thing, that's something we might not all know about. but i have waited 15 minutes in front of an open gate, watching three guys sitting around in front of us, only to have the same three guys finally get up and wave us in. more often than not the delay is because you're slammed, or it's another zone, but this does still happen.

once i had my loose change stolen from my bag on an ATL turn, but more annoying is the number of times my bag has been damaged in ATL, usually crushed under a load of bags. but every station sucks on this - whatever happened to last on, first off?

i actually had an ASA chief pilot come on board a while back, ask us if we were getting everything we needed. on that day, we were and everything was running smoothly. he said they're doing away with the depature coordinators, any idea how they're going to reorganize?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Capt. V :

(1) The times are put in the computer by the person in ops and then audited using the ships' log several days later to ensure they are accurate. There is a lot of pressure, especially in the outstations to have the perfect on time performance the company wants. Fraud being easier than hard work and foresight, "on time" gets put in the computer pretty much no matter what.

This once resulted in a 5.5 hour leg from AVL to ATL and crew scheduling called me to see why we had flown over 10.7 hours when everyone knows the limit is 8. As amusing as the story is, the problem is that the Company's times are used for aircraft maintenance, scheduling and crew planning. Hopefully ACARS will be the fix. In the mean time management believes crews are the ones screwing with the out times.

(2) You are welcome to use the locked crew bag room on Concourse D - under D26 to 29 area. I see some gold uniforms over there, so some of your pilots have found it. Just talk to an ASA pilot for the code.

(3) If I quit my job as a very junior (5 year) ATL based Captain at ASA, how long until I could hold Atlanta overnights at Comair?

(4) The secret to not having your stuff stolen is to have a couple of Nascar and Winchester stickers on the most beat up old nasty bag you can find. Rampers take one look and figure there is nothing in the bag they could possibly want.

.... and it might not be rampers. Why was one of our Chief Pilots on your airplane? Was he a ticketed passenger? Did he have a lot of change in his pocket? Was he simply lost? If we are separate airlines, that is a security breach & I am only sort of joking. When I was a first officer one of them chewed me out pretty good for allowing a Continental Express pilot take a look at a CRJ.

Oh and if you do find one of our Chief Pilots wandering the ramp lost, disoriented, or off their meds, please return them to their concrete gopher holes. We like most of them and try to keep up with them...but sometimes they get lost between the coffee machine and the restroom.

 

[spinproof]

PA44

Those aren't my landing lights....they're my taxi lights...or in the 70, recog (recognition) lights and as i've been told rather bright(wouldn't want to miss those ramp directions)!!!!! If I came in with my LL ons I would have more than you rampies up my "six".

 

[Tug Driver]

Disclaimer: I understand that some of the rampers could not care less about the company or on time performance. But there are a lot of us who really do give a crap! And that will bust are ass to get you what you need. Just remember that a little respect goes a long way. And again sorry if I came across to pissed!

well said!!!

 

[patriotflier]

Ignorance is bliss....Most (not all) of you pilots have never worked on the ramp and conversely most rampers have never flown an airplane. I can attest to both and more. I mean to offend no one but until you are in eachothers shoes and understand the dynamic stress of each others jobs then who are you to critize the other.

As for Lazy rampers in ATL! Little fact even DL rampers in ATL are the same way...It all comes down to ACCOUNTABILITY. Unless Managers and supervisors are held accountable and the rampers given support the deserve or the discipline they require then yes you will sit and wait.

You have flown 6 legs today and are either waiting to go home or to the hotel and u see no one there to meet your aircraft! You are pissed! Do you think the ramper knows how hard you have worked and how tired you are? NOPE...Does he/she care? Prob not! Now let us turn the table. I am a ramper who has worked 20 flights today, it is hot/cold, raining/snowing, I have several unmotivated coworkers and 1 that called in sick your one of my last flights to arrive. I have 3 other flights leaving around the same time you are arriving and oh did I mention that I have not had dinner or a break to pi$$. Does that pilot care about the day I have had? How tired, hungry, wet or discouraged I am? Noop..he just wants to be parked.

There is no excuse for lazyness!!!!!!! I agree but sometimes we need to look at the other persons job and realize just maybe they might just be doing the best they can with what they have available. The attitude of a good portion of the ATL rampers has a lot to be desired. For the few that bust your A$$..THANK YOU!

P.S. When was the last time you tried to get fast food in the ATL area? Betcha it took a while...The work group in ATL on the whole (not all) needs an attitude adjustment and a lesson on customer service and efficiency!

GO PATS!!!!

 

[captainv]

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actually, calling us out on-time usually puts quite a bit of money in my pocket, so no problem there. but we've actually pushed early a few times and gotten shorted, or they show us in way too early... oh well, i always call and change the times.

as for how long to hold ATL at comair, you just need to get off reserve. and if you were to come here today, you'll be on reserve forever until we get something more than the 8 CR-7s were due this year. we're hiring 125 to fill those seats and i think you'd need 150 below you to be off reserve.

tell you what, though, how about you and i just trade? as a 2nd year FO, i bid for 4-days that start on sundays, often with the 24-hour layover in ATL. i'd be more than happy to take your captain slot, as i live in ATL.

i've often left my bag in the hallway in Ops at Concourse C, it's when my bag is in the hold that it gets raided. i've taken the advice of others and they'll find something less than appealing the next time they check that pocket.

ATL is the only place i've ever seen a Chief Pilot walking around (only that one time, of course). and then he asks me if i need anything, and can he do anything for me? i figured one of us had to be tripping on something!

 

[FL000]

~~~^~~~,

actually, calling us out on-time usually puts quite a bit of money in my pocket, so no problem there.

It takes money out of my pocket at the rate of $1 per minute. Figure 120 minutes per month (not unrealistic), and that's a lot of jack.

 

[Palerider957]

Bye-bye premium.....

Another point for understanding each other:

The only real way for a reserve guy to make a buck is through premium. When you've worked hard, flown fast, begged ATC for short-cuts...then arrive on the ramp with a good amount of premium, only to watch it evaporate because there are no rampers in sight. THAT IS A KILLER.

Rampers need to realize that the most junior ramper makes more than a first year FO.....this is beyond rediculous, but that's another thread.

 

[limodriver1]

so otherwords, if you dont follow direct

So if you dont follow directions, you get your stuff stolen from crew bags! Thats aint fair!

Just wondering what is these people point who post that crab in here!

 

[PA-44Typed]

19.02x 75 = $1,426.50

8.85x 160 = $1,416

I think the first year FO wins..........

Added: But since they have started strike proofing ATL we get all the overtime we want!

 

[Tug Driver]

19.02x 75 = $1,426.50

8.85x 160 = $1,416

I think the first year FO wins..........

Added: But since they have started strike proofing ATL we get all the overtime we want!

$8.85 is your starting wage on the ramp????

 

[captainv]

FL000,

i call in my actual times on every flight, from when the door closes to when it opens. if Ops can't record the correct times, that's something you need to take up with them. stations are always shaving our times, so don't feel like you're alone...

still, our system doesn't make much sense to me. if we block in 30 minutes early, i get paid the same as if we block in on time. but if we're late, i get paid extra. not much of an incentive, is it? and yet, we bust our humps trying to stay on schedule because that's our job.


>It takes money out of my pocket at the rate of $1 per minute. >Figure 120 minutes per month (not unrealistic), and that's a lot >of jack.