Starting UPT. How should I log my time?

[RJP]

Here's something you may be unaware of: A USAF student pilot bears ZERO liablity or responsibility in any way, shape, form or fashion. The Squadron Supervisor (SUP) signs off a form allowing the student to solo. And yes, before I started pilot training for the USAF all of my solo time in a C-150/152/172 was logged as PIC. However, I CHOSE to log my solo time in T-37s and T-38s as a student. How could I justify logging PIC when I HAVE ZERO responsibility or accountability? I couldn't and therefore didn't.

Yahtz

Hey Yahtz, you're correct that everyone has an opinion. It's great that you logged (or didn't log) the time that you flew the way you did and got a job.

However, I still have to disagree with your comment above. Ask the UPT student that packed-in a tweet short of the runway at Vance a couple years ago if he had ZERO RESPONSIBILITY. Dude, you're flying solo, you are SOLELY responsibile for your aircraft and your life. If you don't feel like calling that your responsibility, it's your choice but unless I've got an imaginary friend sitting next to me, I'm flying SOLO.

 

[Yahtzee]

RJP,

I'll admit I shouldn't have used "ZERO RESPONSIBILITY". My point is this: Students at a USAF UPT base have almost no accountability for their actions....other than doing something that would get them kicked out or killed.

I logged my time very conservatively and would do the same thing again.

Please check your PMs regarding Vance.

Yahtz

 

[milflyboy]

For the ones claiming it cannot be logged as PIC. Why does the following not apply?

FAR §61.51 Pilot Logbooks
(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time.
(4) A student pilot may log pilot-in-command time only when the student pilot -
(i) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft or is performing the duties of pilot in command of an airship requiring more than one pilot crew member
(ii) Has a current flight endorsement as required under §61.87 of this part; and
(iii) Is undergoing training for pilot certificate or rating.

 

[milflyboy]

I guess it all boils down to if you follow part 1 or part61. I guess according to Part1 it is not


Part 1 "Pilot in command" definition:

(1) Has final authority and responsiblility for the operation and safety of the flight.
(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and
(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.

Kind of silly you can have a flight where no sole person is PIC. I guess the guy signing for the solo student can't log the time either due to (2). Would of course also be kind of silly.

SWA applications require Part1 time. Didn't they require Part61 time at one point? If I am not mistaken they also back then required you to have 1500 Turbine PIC instead of 1000 Turbine PIC. Maybe I am wrong.