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Traderd

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It looks like things have been corrected and no damage done to the thing that really matters; the bottom line. I see some contentious remarks here around the Southwest trips and turnaround times so I thought some might find this article interesting.

The Real Story Behind the collapse in Southwest's On-time Performance

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-southwest-air-20141014-column.html

"Starting last fall, passengers on Southwest Airlines' usually reliable flights began noticing a sharp deterioration in on-time performance. More flights arrived late, and more flights sat on the ground past their departure times, waiting for connecting passengers from flights that arrived late, and so on and so on."

"The airline explained to the press, blandly, that its problems were caused by "scheduling too many flights at the most popular takeoff times," and shortening the turn -- the time set aside for loading and unloading passengers -- to accommodate the super-packed schedule."

"Now, courtesy of Brett Snyder of the popular travel website crankyflier.com, we're getting a fuller explanation. The problem was caused by Southwest's deliberate, and very ill-advised, strategy to cram more flights into its schedule without expanding its aircraft fleet and while adding seats to its existing planes."

"Its passengers-per-plane, or "load factors," had risen, making it harder to load and unload passengers to meet its narrow turn times. As Southwest's service cities had expanded, more passengers were checking bags, another obstacle to quick turns. Even a five-minute delay in an early flight reverberated through the day, so that an aircraft might be as much as an hour off-schedule by its last flight."

"Amazingly, Snyder reports, Southwest was unable to quickly revise its schedule to eliminate delays because of its antiquated reservations system, which couldn't accommodate a large number of schedule changes. Only this year was the airline able to implement a new schedule, starting in August."

"As Southwest officials explained to Snyder, turn times for even the smaller-capacity Boeing 737s in the carrier's fleet were increased to 35 minutes, and on larger-capacity planes as much as 50 minutes. Gate-to-gate timings have been lengthened."
 
The article failed to mention that the consumer and Wall Street don't seem to mind.
 
I thought it was due to cockpit crew members getting caught in line at terminal Pizza Hut Expresses waiting for personal pan pizzas? With tight turn times and 5-6 legs a day (especially intra Texas on non glass 737-300s/500s), those guys/gals need something other than peanuts, pretzels, and whatever other kibbles and bits are served. And with that huge pay, I would bet that they don't just get a "Cheese" or even a "Pepperoni" pizza, but rather go "all the way" and get the "Supreme." Well done studs! But, run back to the gate, your ontime performance is important! And running in a "Fonzi like" jacket looks ridiculous.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
It's because they don't have a regional. That new paint job wouldn't look too bad on a CRJ 700
 
"Amazingly, Snyder reports, Southwest was unable to quickly revise its schedule to eliminate delays because of its antiquated reservations system, which couldn't accommodate a large number of schedule changes. Only this year was the airline able to implement a new schedule, starting in August."

I've heard that SWA uses an antiquated rez system a couple times now. I understand nothing is free, but does SWA have any intention of updating their rez system in the future?

SWA guys?
 
Yes. The International Res. System is Amadeus, and the Domestic Res. System which is currently Braniff's old Cowboy System will be updated to Amadeus within the next two years. So, once that's accomplished, the Res. System should run much more smoothly
 
Everything still on Herb time?
 
Everything still on Herb time?

For a guy who supposedly works at Delto, you and your buddy are sure into Southwest way more than any OAL pilots I know. Obsess much? :eek:
 
The article failed to mention that the consumer and Wall Street don't seem to mind.
Actually. the consumer indifference was was mentioned in the second paragraph.

"Luckily for Southwest, the airline had built up a reservoir of goodwill from years of low-frills but effective service so that its statistics on customer complaints didn't soar even as its on-time performance collapsed."

Loyal customers tend to cut you some slack when they look back on all the times that it wasn't screwed up.
 
Actually. the consumer indifference was was mentioned in the second paragraph.

"Luckily for Southwest, the airline had built up a reservoir of goodwill from years of low-frills but effective service so that its statistics on customer complaints didn't soar even as its on-time performance collapsed."

Loyal customers tend to cut you some slack when they look back on all the times that it wasn't screwed up.

I agree, Southwest by it's reputation is afforded a great amount of forgiveness that no other carrier in the world could even hope to possess. One of the many reasons I love flying for this carrier, you don't find this at other airlines.
 
Actually. the consumer indifference was was mentioned in the second paragraph.

"Luckily for Southwest, the airline had built up a reservoir of goodwill from years of low-frills but effective service so that its statistics on customer complaints didn't soar even as its on-time performance collapsed."

Loyal customers tend to cut you some slack when they look back on all the times that it wasn't screwed up.

Serious question. Do you believe there are loyal customers or do you believe passengers treat SW like any other commodity and purchase purely on price, departure/destination and convenience of schedule?

I haven't used an airline in a very long time but outside of frequent flyer programs, I don't see how one would have value over another, other than those prior considerations that I mentioned.

I am still impressed with most airline operations. Given all the variables of weather, equipment, personnel and regulatory considerations outside of an airlines control, it seems you guys do a really good job.
 
Serious question. Do you believe there are loyal customers or do you believe passengers treat SW like any other commodity and purchase purely on price, departure/destination and convenience of schedule?

I haven't used an airline in a very long time but outside of frequent flyer programs, I don't see how one would have value over another, other than those prior considerations that I mentioned.

I am still impressed with most airline operations. Given all the variables of weather, equipment, personnel and regulatory considerations outside of an airlines control, it seems you guys do a really good job.
They treat SWA like anyone else. Price will always be the number one consideration. But, I do believe we have some hard core followers that tend to give us a chance to do better next time. SWA has done an incredible job with branding and offering a positive experience to their customers. Branding only goes so far though and economics ultimately will enter the equation and always be a major player. In the end Southwest has done a very good job with the "intangibles."
 
Meanwhile, Genny is number 5 for takeoff behind those RJ's in Hotlanta.

You must not have been through Hotlanta lately. Concourse C on the Delta end is mostly 717s now, not RJs. Thank Gary.
 
You must not have been through Hotlanta lately. Concourse C on the Delta end is mostly 717s now, not RJs. Thank Gary.

Yes, thanks Gary, and sorry PCL.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Maybe you should apply and fly the same planes again... :D

I can't afford the pay cut. ;) They do look nice in the Delta colors, though. I guess we can all be thankful that they were spared the horror of being painted in that awful purple color!
 
I can't afford the pay cut. ;) They do look nice in the Delta colors, though. I guess we can all be thankful that they were spared the horror of being painted in that awful purple color!



Ya

Never mind that you do not have a college degree and DAL requires that .
 
SWA has the common courtesy and professionalism to allow their planes to wait for connecting passengers. The onboard passengers are told what the delay is and I have not heard any grumblings. The flight crew tell the passengers that they will try and make up the time on route (customer service at its best)
I know personally that Delta and United would not wait for late passengers connecting from another flight.
I was in Atlanta travelling to Ireland on a ID 90 pass and there were 20 standby people waiting to get on, the plane was delayed to see if the ticketed connecting passengers could make the flight, after 20 minutes the duty manager came to the gate and released all the standby's, just as were boarding the connecting passengers arrived and were told their seats were given to the standby and they would try to get them out the next night. Customer service at its very best - yeah right
 
I agree, Southwest by it's reputation is afforded a great amount of forgiveness that no other carrier in the world could even hope to possess. One of the many reasons I love flying for this carrier, you don't find this at other airlines.

In the world? Obviously you haven't flown on many foreign carriers. Hint hint, you couldn't base a reality show highlighting passenger meltdowns on ANA or JAL.
 
SWA has the common courtesy and professionalism to allow their planes to wait for connecting passengers. The onboard passengers are told what the delay is and I have not heard any grumblings. The flight crew tell the passengers that they will try and make up the time on route (customer service at its best)
I know personally that Delta and United would not wait for late passengers connecting from another flight.
I was in Atlanta travelling to Ireland on a ID 90 pass and there were 20 standby people waiting to get on, the plane was delayed to see if the ticketed connecting passengers could make the flight, after 20 minutes the duty manager came to the gate and released all the standby's, just as were boarding the connecting passengers arrived and were told their seats were given to the standby and they would try to get them out the next night. Customer service at its very best - yeah right

Soooooooo, the one time it happened means it always happens? Oh come on! Really? They can see on their computers at the gate where connecting pax are, and if they have a good chance on making it. If they do, they wait. That's why as a Nonrev you do wait by the gate. If those connecting pax don't make it, they can still fill all the seats. There are mitigating circumstances for some planes to leave ontime or near it, maybe slot times or quick turns coming back, headwinds, whatever. (going across the pond isn't the same as being the last flight of the night to Amarillo). Sounds like the duty manager made a DECISION, and stuck with it. He gave them 20 mins too. He tried. That is customer service.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Soooooooo, the one time it happened means it always happens? Oh come on! Really? They can see on their computers at the gate where connecting pax are, and if they have a good chance on making it. If they do, they wait. That's why as a Nonrev you do wait by the gate. If those connecting pax don't make it, they can still fill all the seats. There are mitigating circumstances for some planes to leave ontime or near it, maybe slot times or quick turns coming back, headwinds, whatever. (going across the pond isn't the same as being the last flight of the night to Amarillo). Sounds like the duty manager made a DECISION, and stuck with it. He gave them 20 mins too. He tried. That is customer service.



Bye Bye---General Lee
20,000 posts by the end of the weekend. You really have an addiction, lee. I really hope you don't have a family. No way you are a pilot with your psychosis. Very disturbing.
 
20,000 posts by the end of the weekend. You really have an addiction, lee. I really hope you don't have a family. No way you are a pilot with yoeur psychosis. Very disturbing.


Say what ?

I disagree with you .
He seems to have the typical pilot psychosis.

Just saying. :)
 
20,000 posts by the end of the weekend. You really have an addiction, lee. I really hope you don't have a family. No way you are a pilot with your psychosis. Very disturbing.

And you keep coming back for more..... Thanks Juany, it makes me happy when I continually prove you WRONGY, Juany.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Guys, our ontime performance and lack thereof - was intentional. We HAD to meet our ROIC goals, so we took one on the chin and lined our pockets and as long as we get back on track, our customers won't mind at all that we slipped into legacy mode for 6-8 months.
Karma police has it right

Let's hope we don't make it such a habit that our customers loyalty falls off
 
SWA has the common courtesy and professionalism to allow their planes to wait for connecting passengers. The onboard passengers are told what the delay is and I have not heard any grumblings. The flight crew tell the passengers that they will try and make up the time on route (customer service at its best)
I know personally that Delta and United would not wait for late passengers connecting from another flight.
I was in Atlanta travelling to Ireland on a ID 90 pass and there were 20 standby people waiting to get on, the plane was delayed to see if the ticketed connecting passengers could make the flight, after 20 minutes the duty manager came to the gate and released all the standby's, just as were boarding the connecting passengers arrived and were told their seats were given to the standby and they would try to get them out the next night. Customer service at its very best - yeah right

Ahhh....so that's where this BS came from. The wife and I were on an AT 717 in ATL a few Fridays ago heading to STL where we sat at the gate for at least 1:15, then we sat on the ramp for another 40 minutes waiting in line for departure.

Having been very loyal to AT Business Class back during the Delta sucked years, I have never been more than 20 minutes late out of a gate in ATL.

Thanks to this common courtesy, we were two hours late into STL and luckily the driver with the car service was able to wait so we wouldn't be forced to take a cab.

Not everyone's lives revolve around those 10 people with late connections.
 
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For a guy who supposedly works at Delto, you and your buddy are sure into Southwest way more than any OAL pilots I know. Obsess much? :eek:

It was a simple question Jackhole.....a yes or no would suffice but you hiked up your skirt and got it all bunched up.

Its just a question...I know people who have complained that you needed to get off that time setup.
 
In the world? Obviously you haven't flown on many foreign carriers. Hint hint, you couldn't base a reality show highlighting passenger meltdowns on ANA or JAL.

My mistake, I meant in the Universe.
 

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