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Gumshoe

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I am about ready to go spring for the type. Any thoughts? I see a lot of people with types and no call from southwest. Whaddy think? Has anybody used any type of VA benefits or WIA funds? I am a United Furlough and think it might be a huge strike against me even if I get the type rating.

Thanks
Chris
 
I went to K&S and used the MGIB. K&S filed the paperwork with the VA making it painless for me. All I had to do was cash the check when it showed up in the mail. As for being furloughed from United, I don't think it is a factor based on posts from other United pilots who fly for SWA. Good Luck.
 
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Type rating

I applied to SWA in late 2000 or early 2001. I was scheduled to interview in Sept 2001. I finally interviewed in Jan 2002. I was hired and then and got my type. Now, looking back I wish I had gotten my type while I was waiting for the call to interview. The guys in my interview that were typed before they got the call are all working. I will be working in May or June. So I will lose over 100 line numbers and several months pay. It is your call. I did my training at aeroservice. I never hear it mentioned here. It was a good course. Higher Power has the advantage of being in DAL. I used VA for my trainging. Contact your VA office or if you are active duty go to your education office. They can get you started. Hope this helps
 
GET IT. I went to Higher Power and did the GI Bill. Paid 60 percent of the 7300. Depending upon your state they may pay the whole thing.
 
Higher Power is THE place to go. Great people, great service, great training. I used MGIB and they do all your paperwork as mentioned above. Check from VA for 60% of cost was received about a month after training was completed. SWA PD comes and visits classes at HPA each week. No better place to go IMHO. If you really want SWA, why wait???
 
I'm currently in class now at HPA. I would recommend this place to anyone looking for a 737 type. Great people, great atmosphere, great time. Root-Beer Float day is also a plus. LOL


Back to the books.
 
For those guys who used the MGIB. Can you still use them if you were ROTC scholarship? I was under the impression you couldn't, but it would be nice if I'm wrong.
 
type rating

Well, like I said I am not the expert on where to get a type I have only gotten two.. UPS and Aeroservice. So I would go with EIflyer's recommendation. At any rate if you Pay 7300 for your type instead of 6500 and you use VA you will get a bigger rebate from UNCLE SAM. I had one issue with the course. I didn't like wearing a tie to class and a jacket to the checkride. But I got over it. Good luck with your training and PM me if you have questions about VA.
 
Talk to your state's WIA rep http://www.careeronestop.org/WiaProviderSearch.asp

I told the Michigan WIA rep that my GI Bill would pay for 60% and they gave me a check for $3000. to cover the other 40%. I went to Higher Power, they're the best in the business, I can't say enough good things about Joe and Mark and the rest of the HPA crew in Dallas.

Good luck.
 
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WIA Funds are dried up, and I was not smart enought to sign up for the GI Bill when I had the chance. There is always the Visa card:)
 
I just looked in California, because I was based at LAX and live in San Diego. I am not sure about the other states.

Chris
 
slightly off topic, but if you used WIA funds funneled through a state (typical), are you liable for taxes on the value of the 737 type rating? I did the WIA Nevada deal last year and I havn't rec'd any tax paperwork on it. I'll call the WIA contact to ask but just wondering if anyone else can chime in on what they found. Thanks!
 
- I'll second the HPA recommendation, can't say enough good things about Mark, Joe and the gang

- Regarding MGIB eligibility...best to talk to your education office or call the VA at 1-888-442-4551 but info from the VA website says:

Commissioned through ROTC scholarship.
You're not eligible if you became commissioned after December 31, 1976, upon completing an ROTC scholarship program, unless one of the following exceptions applies:

Exceptions: You may still be eligible, as a service academy graduate or an ROTC graduate, if you:

received a commission after becoming eligible for MGIB, or
received a commission as an ROTC scholarship graduate after September 30, 1996, and received less than $3,400 during any one year of your ROTC program.

Here's the link
http://www.gibill.va.gov/education/c30pam.htm#_Toc518285742

Hopefully you fit one of the exceptions...
 
Typed

I am not trying to place judgment but why is buying a type not the same thing as Pay for Training? If it is how come it doesn't sound as if people are as negative about as they are towards Pay for Training? Help me understand.
 
Some Airlines require an ATP. Others require a Commercial. SWA only hires pilots that are type rated in a 737 and also have a 1000 hours PIC Turbine. As far as I am concerned, the HIGHER the requirements the better. Every pilot at SWA was a previous Captain at one time or another. Any pilots that were type rated in the 737 from previous Airlines obviously have an advantage, at least in not having to aquire the type via a school at their own cost. It is not training. To work at SWA you must have a 737 Type Rating. Some pilots worked at other carriers (ie: Vangard) and upgraded to Captain on a 737 then applied to SWA. What ever method works for you.
 
Yea but I know of guys who just go out and buy a type rating for SWA. How is that different than a guy paying to be a CRJ FO was the jist of the question. I am only looking for the current outlook on this subject rather than saying the two are not the same. How are they different?
 
Get the ATP and I'll tell ya.
 
Pay for Training

Materplan: Your question is certainly valid, and I can only offer my opinion. I'm not completely up to speed on what pay for training is, but the way I understand pay for training you actually pay for your initial training in order to secure a job. You pay for the training so the company doesn't have to.

Another hook might be a training contract, where you repay the company the cost (or a portion of the cost) of the training if you leave within certain time frame (ala ATA). Do you consider a training contract pay for training? I don't think so, but some might.

The 737 type rating, on the other hand, is simply a minimum requirement for employment at SW just like an FAA medical and ATP rating. You have to have them in order to be considered for employment there as a pilot.

SW doesn't train you less because you have the type, they still have to put you through their FAA certified training program in order for you to fly their jets their way.

Having an ATP is the FAA's way to make sure you have demonstrated the skills to fly as PIC, the 737 type is SW's way of making sure (in addition to the ATP) that you have demonstrated the skills necessary to fly the 737 as a future PIC for them.

You don't pay any of your training costs while at SW, they do. They don't save any money because you already have a type (in terms of initial training).

As Canyonblue mentioned, you could have acquired the 737 type while flying for another carrier, the military, or perhaps courtesy of some other rich uncle (other than Sam).

Its a requirement for employment, not a shortcut for the company to get you to the line, therefor I don't see it in any way as a pay for training situation.

Most of the majors used to require the FE written exam when they still operated 727s, and I don't think anybody considered that a pay for training situation either. FedEx still requires the FE written as a basic requirement for employment and you don't hear anybody complaining about that. Sure, the cost is much less (in both time and $) but the analogy is still valid.

Sure, a lot of folks go out and buy the type rating specifically to become eligible for employment with SW (I sure did), just as EVERYBODY goes out and pays for their ATP, Class I, and RTOP. You've got to invest something to make it to the show, and if the show means SW to you, then the type is just another step along the way.

I personally got the type specifically for the chance to fly for SW and although I may never do so, I still feel that I gained alot from the experience and it helped me make the transition from flying a small french jet for the CG to flying a pax jet in the 121 environment. There were other benefits for me other than just meeting the mins for SW, although that was MY primary reason.

Just one man's opinions.

FJ
 
HPA!

Went to HPA last month. Excellent training...academic instructors were exceptional and did a great job preparing you for the oral. Sims were right there in Dallas and sim schedule was very reasonable, sim instruction was right on, as far getting thru the checkride. I hear the sim schedule varies due to class size and availability..maybe I lucked out.

I have friends out west that have used K&S in Phoenix, also a good option. A few have complained about traveling for the sims (Denver and Bay Area) and some rougher sim schedules (1am starts).

Good luck.
 
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Just to throw my two cents in, I went to Crew Pilot Training in Houston. They use the Continental Training Facility and are a top-notch company. Same price as the rest, but the training is -300 EFIS and the sim times were all finished by 11pm. They teach the Southwest standards and the instructors are all exceptional. The instructor is your FO for the check. Also, Continental sim schedulers work with them, and when the - 300 sim went down for two days, they let us use the -500 (Class D) sim. Awesome. They do all the paperwork for GI bill and have a discount rate at a hotel nearby. Can't say enough about the organization, and DO get your type. SWA may be the only ones that require it, but you know it has to look good for anyone hiring.

Contact Ray Brendle at [email protected] or go to their website at: http://www.crewpilottraining.com/

Ron
 
I just got back from HPA. I got to meet Chase what a great guy. Mark and Joe are wonderful people and they know how to keep you motivated during the tough times. My .02 worth go to HPA they go the extra mile for you. If I never get a job at SWA it was some of the best training I've been to. Thanks HPA. I got the hat!!!
 

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