Southwest is a PFT'er.

[waveflyer]

Dear b727-
Please don't ever change your avatar and try to be as prolific a poster as general.
Thanks.

 

[pilotyip]

Anyone ever explain why SWA wanted the type in the beginning? I'll bet this is the reason. Until an airpline gets certain size the Feds won't allow a company to have DPE to issue types. The Feds have to observe every type rating, if you are small like SWA in the beginning this becomes scheduling nightmare. If a person is already typed a company check airman can give the Ca PC. Started that way and stuck. So why have a Fed when you don't need to? Thoughts?

 

[texman]

Pilotyip, you sir are seeing the light. It also reduces the insurance cost. And also alows for the training cost to go way down. Intial training is a class fit for type rated high pic time peeps. Good and efficient.

 

[Wankel7]

Fedex is PFA....Pay For Applying.

I mean you DO have to pay to prepare for your FEX written, $150 for the test, and then $75 to apply. And you might even have to get a fresh 1st class medical!

Pricey!



For those of you not playing at home...this is sarcasm.

 

[contrail67]

I call it an investment.

99% of SWA pilots call it an investment because it would not be right to actually say they had to buy their way into a company.

If that is what it takes for some to get hired then so be it...others have options that dont cost to get in the door.

I have yet to hear the justification by the company, that is profitable, to make their employees pay for the type rating....(or have it already).

SWA could type them on the checkride just like United and other major airlines do...and yes it is a PIC type. Very simple to do.

 

[waveflyer]

Read "Nuts" contrail- they explain it there and it's been explained here.

 

[BillJBrake]

Since Ty Webb didn't PFT, he can learn about it when Gup is sitting in his right seat!

 

[contrail67]

Read "Nuts" contrail- they explain it there and it's been explained here.

To keep it simple: If you want to stop SWA making pilots pay for the type then pilots need to stop paying for it until SWA has to hire pilots and drop the requirement...and it probably won't happen because there will always be some sucker to pony up the 5K to get it....sad.

 

[scoreboardII]

Oh look, the little airplane people are talking...

 

[Whaler]

To keep it simple: If you want to stop SWA making pilots pay for the type then pilots need to stop paying for it until SWA has to hire pilots and drop the requirement...and it probably won't happen because there will always be some sucker to pony up the 5K to get it....sad.

So how long ago were you turned down by SWA?

 

[contrail67]

So how long ago were you turned down by SWA?

Classic line...the truth...I never applied. Did not have to pony up the 5K to get hired and refused to do it....How ya like that one.

Was at an overnight talking to a SWA pilot in the bar and I will never forget what he said..."I got turned down by Delta, American, and United so I figured I am going to have to buy my job."......could not believe that was what he was carrying around.

Glad he had an option in the end.

 

[contrail67]

$8000 x 5700 pilots = $45,600,000. Another drop in the bucket regarding SWA. They really don’t need applicants to have their type, it just weeds out the likes of GL, Lumberg and Scope. Who said SWA didn’t have visionaries back in the ’70’s. They contribute lots more than that to the profitsharing. As for the rest, let it go. Really, why do you care what goes on over there?

Now look at the avatar for 727 driver...obviously a person that spent her 5K somewhere that counts!!

 

[waveflyer]

Classic line...the truth...I never applied. Did not have to pony up the 5K to get hired and refused to do it....How ya like that one.

Was at an overnight talking to a SWA pilot in the bar and I will never forget what he said..."I got turned down by Delta, American, and United so I figured I am going to have to buy my job."......could not believe that was what he was carrying around.

Glad he had an option in the end.

That was the history. No doubt there are some in that category.
Today- there are pilots leaving all legacies to come to SWA.
Many w/ their type paid by former employer.
I look forward to the day when you guys leapfrog Swa and can reclaim that history- but since Swa has been carrying the water on contracts for about a decade--- when will you give it a rest and concentrate on your important role in the pattern bargaining system?

In the meantime, you sound like the fat man with a huge ego still bragging about his high school varsity teams

 

[Whaler]

Classic line...the truth...I never applied. Did not have to pony up the 5K to get hired and refused to do it....How ya like that one.

Was at an overnight talking to a SWA pilot in the bar and I will never forget what he said..."I got turned down by Delta, American, and United so I figured I am going to have to buy my job."......could not believe that was what he was carrying around.

Glad he had an option in the end.

Hey "the world needs ditch diggers too." Can't all work for the top dog....

Heard the latest newhire class is filled with United/Contin, Delta, and even a 12 yr AA guy.

 

[ivauir]

Oh look, the little airplane people are talking...

They're so cute at this stage!

 

[Simon Says]

First off I did not start this thread. I was the second one to respond to the original post and the original poster deleted his post.

Second, I do stand corrected. Southwest requires a type to be hired. If you already have the type by some other means (other than paying for it) then I would say Southwest could be a PFT outfit for you if you go out and buy one.

Third, buying a type is a personal decision. I understand the benifits of being employed by Southwest and good for the ones that are living large at Southwest. It isn't for me, but it is for some people.

Fourth, I cannot believe I made it on somebody's ignore list. I always thought I made reasonable aurguments. I don't know if I should be offended or complimented.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Southwest requires a type to be hired. If you already have the type by some other means (other than paying for it) then I would say Southwest could be a PFT outfit for you if you go out and buy one.

Southwest could be a PFT outfit??? If you are trying to say that you put up logical arguments, you might want to research the true definition of a "PFT outfit".

Some guys say SWA is PFT because they are trying to start some kind of argument. Kinda like some who toss around the "scab" word for people who do things that they do not like. Scab has a definition and so does PFT.

Bottom line....relax....enjoy life...get to the hotel early!

 

[Tejas-Jet]

And, SWA really doesn't care where you get the type....just that you have one....Latest class also had pilots from JB...Skywest....Chatauqua....DElta....CAL

Whoops...almost forgot...a US AIrways pilot too...but that goes without saying. I think there is one in just about every class...East ?...West?....don't know, don't care, who really cares?...we'll accept the application from either side.