Southwest failing in Denver?

[contrail67]

If the article is true, then why is F9 in bankruptcy? Because of United? This isn't the first market SWA has struggled with after opening. They are doing what many businesses try to do. Buy out the competition. This is not a new tactic for any industry. Its simply capitalism in action.

One reason for the F9 BK is that they were unable to lure the loyal United passengers in Denver to fly F9....even with their LOW fares.....then SWA moved into the market and they found out they just cannot show up and everyone hops on their aircraft....and that is why they are struggling too...not to mention trying to compete with the F9 fares. You cannot have 2 low cost carriers in Denver. The one thing that will be interesting is if the current SWA bid holds ground....last week UAL stock went up 40% in 3 days....for what?...will just have to see, but something is up.
F9 going away will actually help United more than anything in Denver...will just have to see if UAL puts up a bid close to the end....may be why they just got the 150 million in the bond on their aircraft parts. You just don't go out and do that without a reason.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I Boyd said anything, I am not gonna buy it!

-What a loser.

Does anyone have their dumbass translator handy?

What is this moron trying to say?

 

[crj567]

Does anyone have their dumbass translator handy?

What is this moron trying to say?

Well, to translate to dumbass-just for you, Scope (GenLee):

"That thar internets arrr-tic-le whut wuz posted up top in this here yarn, was a-quotin from that dang-fool Mike Boyd arr-line aynal-ist. So you see, just bout every time dat dang city-boy durn numnut dun open his mouth, he be jus drippin stupid right offn his lips. Dat durn Boyd group aynal-ist city-boy fool dun has bout worse sense then most ground squirrel-so you best just not pay him no 'tention a-tall."

-In other words: "Mike Boyd is always full of crap."

-Glad to be of service, dumbass....

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Well, to translate to dumbass-just for you, Scope (GenLee):

"That thar internets arrr-tic-le whut wuz posted up top in this here yarn, was a-quotin from that dang-fool Mike Boyd arr-line aynal-ist. So you see, just bout every time dat dang city-boy durn numnut dun open his mouth, he be jus drippin stupid right offn his lips. Dat durn Boyd group aynal-ist city-boy fool dun has bout worse sense then most ground squirrel-so you best just not pay him no 'tention a-tall."

-In other words: "Mike Boyd is always full of crap."

-Glad to be of service, dumbass....

Golly Tanker Clown, who helped you with all the big words?
Was it someone in the office, or just another co worker at Wendy's??
Either way, time for the colonel's nightly cup of coffee!

 

[luv2fly]

One reason for the F9 BK is that they were unable to lure the loyal United passengers in Denver to fly F9....even with their LOW fares.....then SWA moved into the market and they found out they just cannot show up and everyone hops on their aircraft....and that is why they are struggling too...not to mention trying to compete with the F9 fares. You cannot have 2 low cost carriers in Denver. The one thing that will be interesting is if the current SWA bid holds ground....last week UAL stock went up 40% in 3 days....for what?...will just have to see, but something is up.
F9 going away will actually help United more than anything in Denver...will just have to see if UAL puts up a bid close to the end....may be why they just got the 150 million in the bond on their aircraft parts. You just don't go out and do that without a reason.

UAL can't put up a bid. The deadline was Aug 3rd. The only players are WN and RAH

 

[crj567]

Golly Tanker Clown, who helped you with all the big words?
Was it someone in the office, or just another co worker at Wendy's??
Either way, time for the colonel's nightly cup of coffee!

-I won't interfere with your personal life, Gen.... Congrats on snagging "the colonel" as your new squeeze-he is quite a catch (if swing that way.)

 

[JumpJetter]

F9 is in bankruptcy because the credit card company they deal with required a larger "holdback" for each ticket sold. That move last year put them in to bankruptcy almost overnight. The move by the credit card company was based on wall street rumors that now that SWA was in the market, it was over for F9, despite the fact that since SWA has entered the market F9 has actually gained market share.....

....purely my opinion

 

[scoreboardII]

I chuckle everytime I see the thread title... who is buying who again?

 

[firstthird]

F9 is in bankruptcy because the credit card company they deal with required a larger "holdback" for each ticket sold. That move last year put them in to bankruptcy almost overnight. The move by the credit card company was based on wall street rumors that now that SWA was in the market, it was over for F9, despite the fact that since SWA has entered the market F9 has actually gained market share.....

....purely my opinion

here is a question for you. if the credit card company that SWA uses decided to 'increase the holdback' overnight, do you think SWA would be in bankruptcy soon thereafter? how about jetblue or airtran or DAL?

not today or tomorrow they wouldn't. maybe if it was 5 years from now and SWAs unencumbered cash dwindled to such a level that we were close to bankruptcy anyway, knock on wood, then maybe.

my point is that the precipitating event, in this case a credit card company decision, is separate from the underlying cause, F9 didn't have sufficient cash reserves to withstand even a small shock to the system. that is not the sign of a healthy company. not the fault of F9 pilots or FAs or employees, but these little narratives about how F9 was/is poised to dominate the world if only X hadn't happened or Y wasn't the case. I don't think they help. they assuage but they don't explain.

 

[JumpJetter]

never said they were healthy, nor poised to "dominate". Just pointing out what actually pushed them into bankruptcy.