Southwest Blasts Revised Slot Deal

[StopNTSing]

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It's amazing how much more enjoyable FI has suddenly become.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

This message is hidden because StopNTSing is a pft moron!

 

[Cometman]

It is amazing how much more enjoyable FI has suddenly become since I blocked them also.

 

[OurMoney1]

It pays to play, perhaps SWA should have made it to the table sooner!

 

[EMBpilot]

None of that matters you guys, lets be real! It is all about favors!!

It is Delta Air elite jet rides to politicians vs. pizza parties and free type ratings for the feds from SWA.

Will see who wins

 

[kwick]

Certainly I do however, a little here a little there, Calgary, FLL on Spirit, does not allow any ONE large competitor to gain a foothold and offer any "real" service. Granted Airtran is a threat but NOT with 5 slots. Now give them 15-20 just like SW and then they DO have a problem. All very self serving to minimize impact. Certainly it would be in OUR (WN) best interest to gain more slots, with this the consumer ultimately would be the beneficiary in a much bigger way.

Cry me a river!

 

[SWA/FO]

How about nothing smaller than a 757? LGA is political. Small planes will always be there because small communities want access and their representatives will ensure it. Gridlock or not.

This would not work for SWA, cus we dont have any 757. Thats why I said B737. We should have gotten into LGA when jetblue was doing it.

 

[Moon-dog]

It's amazing how much more enjoyable FI has suddenly become.

It is much better with ScopeTard blocked, he is such an idiot. The Gen is close to reaching obscurity.

 

[johnsonrod]

Sure Ben, riiiiight. Yeah, and you also flew on your new SWA 787 to Tokyo, followed by your 56 hour layover in Rio........ (oh wait, that was the Rio Grande---HRL. Enjoy that this Summer). Something that you do not know is that the ATL ER category also has plenty of 4 day domestic only trips, and I do them occasionally to get landings if I need them. The trips are pretty darn good, with long layovers on at least 2 of the 3 nights, which is normal for domestic at most airlines. I think you were on the MD88 at DL, and that is a whole different animal, a lot like the current SWA 737 schedules probably. Go up from there and it becomes totally different. 737s and 757/767s mainly do longer legs, with an occasional 3 leg day, but mostly one or maybe two. And beers are $10 everywhere INTL? Not really. Also, INTL perdiem is more than domestic, covering most of the difference, unless you are a boozehound like yourself.

Talk about same old material, you have that on each of your trip pairings. Can you remember what you did 3 trips ago? Probably not, because it is all a blur, also thanks to your 1 2 3 rule. Go enjoy that and try not to wish you had some actual variety in planes and destinations from your past job. Enjoy your next 5 leg day, which is almost everyday for you. To say otherwise is ridiculous---since those trips of yours are sooo productive, there has to be a lot jammed in there. You know I am right, again. Bye Ben.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You're right General, some guys don't get it. I can't wait to fly international flights and enjoy the good life of just one flight a day. Sounds better than my 5-6 legs per day out of our hub. No thanks!

 

[Noserider76]

http://www.swelblog.com/articles/dear-southwest-grab-your-bag-of-fiction-its-on.html

 

[GuppyWN]

I don't disagree. We choked when we had an "in" to LGA and DCA. Now we've got to PAY for that decision. That being said.......... I don't think you should GIFT those slots to competitors. You either scatter them around equally or you sell them to the highest bidder.

Gup

 

[hockeypilot44]

I don't disagree. We choked when we had an "in" to LGA and DCA. Now we've got to PAY for that decision. That being said.......... I don't think you should GIFT those slots to competitors. You either scatter them around equally or you sell them to the highest bidder.

Gup

How do you think Delta and US Airways feel? They are trying to slot swap, and the government is forcing them to give up some of their slots that they paid for to competitors for nothing in return. The decided to give them to the competitors that are the least threat. There is a huge double standard. The government needs to either regulate the industry or not. This half-ass approach is extremely hard on the industry.

 

[FlyinPiker]

I don't disagree. We choked when we had an "in" to LGA and DCA. Now we've got to PAY for that decision. That being said.......... I don't think you should GIFT those slots to competitors. You either scatter them around equally or you sell them to the highest bidder.

Gup

I'd say 4 different airlines getting a piece of the new goods constitutes "scattering".

If Southwest was one of these four airlines I'd doubt we'd be hearing the same argument from them.

 

[Draginass]

Stop flying commuter jets into LGA. Nothing smaller then a DC-9-30 or B737-500. To many regional jets....its a joke, why waste a slot on that?

Hmmm. Then what are connectors from the outlying smaller cities in the NE suppose to do? How about cutting down the number of airlines allowed to fly into LGA?

 

[GuppyWN]

I'd say 4 different airlines getting a piece of the new goods constitutes "scattering".

If Southwest was one of these four airlines I'd doubt we'd be hearing the same argument from them.

What I meant was spread EVERYTHING around equally, not just a few here and there. USAir and Delta have 100's of slots at these airports. If you think 4 slots to WestJet is going to be considered competition then you aren't dealing in reality.

Gary Kelly wants DCA and LGA slots. Our business model is obviously morphing into large, high yield markets. Problem is we can't even BUY slots because everyone that has them is smart enough to hang onto them.

Gup

 

[hockeypilot44]

What I meant was spread EVERYTHING around equally, not just a few here and there. USAir and Delta have 100's of slots at these airports. If you think 4 slots to WestJet is going to be considered competition then you aren't dealing in reality.

Gary Kelly wants DCA and LGA slots. Our business model is obviously morphing into large, high yield markets. Problem is we can't even BUY slots because everyone that has them is smart enough to hang onto them.

Gup

Kind of like Southwest in BWI, MDW, LUV, etc.?

 

[GuppyWN]

BWI, DAL, and MDW are not slot restricted.

Try again,
Gup

 

[SWA/FO]

Hmmm. Then what are connectors from the outlying smaller cities in the NE suppose to do? How about cutting down the number of airlines allowed to fly into LGA?

Who connects through LGA? Are they nuts?

 

[FlyinPiker]

What I meant was spread EVERYTHING around equally, not just a few here and there. USAir and Delta have 100's of slots at these airports. If you think 4 slots to WestJet is going to be considered competition then you aren't dealing in reality.

Gup

What a joke. Fine... take those 4 slots and give them to Southwest, does that really change anything? Or do you mean spread all the slots out to everyone? What is the point of this transaction again? To take slots away from US Air and divide them up amongst all the remaining carriers?

Reality? Really?

What's up with the very small group of SW pilots on this board that call foul whenever a business transaction looks like it's going down without them. Luckily all the ones I know can care less and have better things to worry about.

I'm going back to flying airplanes and leaving this thread alone, it's a joke...just like trying to tell me the industry is "deregulated".

 

[FlyinPiker]

BWI, DAL, and MDW are not slot restricted.

Try again,
Gup

Change slots to gates and it's the same animal. Not many places to put airplanes in DAL and MDW.

By the way I don't think he's the one arguing that this isn't fair.

Just calling it hypocritical, which is not a far stretch.