Southwest Blasts Revised Slot Deal

[Skybus]

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/sto...-deal.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

Hmmm. Lets insure the slots to benefit any MAJOR competitor. Obviously very smart but will the Govt. allow this scheme that will certainly minimize damage to DL and LCC? Certainly NOT to the consumers benefit.

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[Dizel8]

You know, it isn't only SWA that benefit the consumer!

 

[Skybus]

Certainly I do however, a little here a little there, Calgary, FLL on Spirit, does not allow any ONE large competitor to gain a foothold and offer any "real" service. Granted Airtran is a threat but NOT with 5 slots. Now give them 15-20 just like SW and then they DO have a problem. All very self serving to minimize impact. Certainly it would be in OUR (WN) best interest to gain more slots, with this the consumer ultimately would be the beneficiary in a much bigger way.

 

[Kharma Police]

Southwest should have bought the regulators a pool table or plasma t.v.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

FL already has more slots at LGA than WN by a large number. Remember, when we got the ATA slots back, they made a deal with CAL to get some of their slots in exchange for leaving EWR. With the addition of these slots, WN will have the smallest presence at LGA of just about any other carrier.

 

[hockeypilot44]

FL already has more slots at LGA than WN by a large number. Remember, when we got the ATA slots back, they made a deal with CAL to get some of their slots in exchange for leaving EWR. With the addition of these slots, WN will have the smallest presence at LGA of just about any other carrier.

Rightfully so. The other carriers have been serving LGA a lot longer than Southwest. It takes years to get slots and sustain an operation in LGA, not months. Southwest should not get special treatment just because it's Southwest. The airport is over-congested. It does not need new airlines expanding there.

 

[FlyinPiker]

Boo Hoo.

Hey I guess it's worth a shot!

 

[JetMonkey]

Maybe the DOT can say they need to sell some of their slots (even though I think that's not right), but these slots belong to US Airways and Delta. It's THEIR slots, they should be able to sell them to whomever they want...

 

[FlyinGuy]

Jet, you are correct if it was truly a free market. The problem is that the gooberment has its fingers throughout the aviation system.

 

[The Prussian]

It's THEIR slots, they should be able to sell them to whomever they want...

Fair enough, but first, we need to establish a price point....anybody got an idea what Delta and USAir paid for these slots in the first place???

 

[kwick]

Fair enough, but first, we need to establish a price point....anybody got an idea what Delta and USAir paid for these slots in the first place???

That has nothing to do with the
market value.

Sw can buy as many slots as they
want at the Market Value.

The Market Value is the price that
another airline will sell the slots for.

Could of had the F9 slots if you
hadn't tried to avoid a fair
seniority list arbitration.

 

[wood pecker]

Does Southwest still have a large operation out of Islip? I know nothing about how far some one is willing to drive in NY but would additional LGA slots take away from ISP?

My neighbors drive 2 hours from ATL to BHM to fly Southwest.

 

[airlinepilot]

That has nothing to do with the
market value.

Sw can buy as many slots as they
want at the Market Value.

The Market Value is the price that
another airline will sell the slots for.

Could of had the F9 slots if you
hadn't tried to avoid a fair
seniority list arbitration.

Kwick

If you want to slam SW at least get your facts straight. The only seniority position F9 took was one of "relative seniority" where their #1 would have become our #2, etc. They never got off that position. They never had any intention of reaching a fair solution.

 

[B727Driver]

kwick,

What CEO would follow what the pilot group wanted in seniority integration anyway? If SWA wanted F9, they would have got them regardless what SWAPA said. Kelly works for the stockholders and what is best for SWA, not SWAPA. Did F9 have to repay the loan from Republic, or did they forgive it putting them in a less favorable cash position?

 

[get2flyin]

Wow. And here I thought this was a thread regarding slot swap. Imagine my surprise when it degraded into a SWA v F9 thread. Shocker!

 

[mamba20]

Ohhh poor SWA. . . . I guess more palm greasing is in order. SWA slots to follow.

 

[MILPILOT17]

Ohhh poor SWA. . . . I guess more palm greasing is in order. SWA slots to follow.

What's wrong with that?

 

[General Lee]

"Allowing two of the country's largest airlines to collude on trading assets in a way to reduce competition while dramatically increasing their market dominance at two of the United States' most important airports is, on its face, an alarming prospect that should not be permitted," Southwest said.

But if there is to be a deal, Southwest said, it should get some slots too. It said that to ensure effective low-fare competition, regulators should require divestiture of least 40 slot pairs at LaGuardia and 20 at National, equating to less than 8% of the slots at each airport. If Southwest were to acquire 20 slot pairs at LaGuardia and 14 slots at National, the annual savings generated in comparison to the incumbents' fares would be $84 million at LaGuardia and $109 million at National, the carrier said.



Is it me, or are these guys the biggest bunch of wheenies around? Give me a break. Go out and buy your own assets WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE, like DL and USAir Did. You were around 20 years ago, when DCA had slot sales etc, but you CHOSE not to buy back then. Too bad. Time for you guys to buy some pizzas for Tower Controllers, or give FAA inspectors free type ratings.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[CitationLover]

Maybe the DOT can say they need to sell some of their slots (even though I think that's not right), but these slots belong to US Airways and Delta. It's THEIR slots, they should be able to sell them to whomever they want...

Actually its the PA NY/NJ slots. THEY can do whatever they want with it. The simple fact that older, government subsidized legacy carriers shouldn't factor in a "free" market.

 

[SWA/FO]

Rightfully so. The other carriers have been serving LGA a lot longer than Southwest. It takes years to get slots and sustain an operation in LGA, not months. Southwest should not get special treatment just because it's Southwest. The airport is over-congested. It does not need new airlines expanding there.

Stop flying commuter jets into LGA. Nothing smaller then a DC-9-30 or B737-500. To many regional jets....its a joke, why waste a slot on that?

 

[GuppyWN]

My favorite part of this thread is that it has all the "haters" riled up.

Too funny and very predictable. I can't wait to see the reaction when we turn up with more slots.

Gup

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Poor swa! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Benjamin Dover]

LGA kind of sucks anyway, not enough space to get really good taxi speed going - especially with the Delta colored rj's zipping around taking up just as much space as big airplanes. I remember listening to "JoKo" Kolshak in ATL about 7 seven years say they were just "temporarily" flying those mailine LGA (and many other) routes. Hmmm

Much easier to taxi in LBB btw...

 

[GuppyWN]

Hard to beat a good taxi speed.

Gup

 

[Noserider76]

Stop flying commuter jets into LGA. Nothing smaller then a DC-9-30 or B737-500. To many regional jets....its a joke, why waste a slot on that?

How about nothing smaller than a 757? LGA is political. Small planes will always be there because small communities want access and their representatives will ensure it. Gridlock or not.

 

[General Lee]

LGA kind of sucks anyway, not enough space to get really good taxi speed going - especially with the Delta colored rj's zipping around taking up just as much space as big airplanes. I remember listening to "JoKo" Kolshak in ATL about 7 seven years say they were just "temporarily" flying those mailine LGA (and many other) routes. Hmmm

Much easier to taxi in LBB btw...

The problem is you taxi a lot more in one day than DL pilots do. Get used to it, no more 1 or 2 leg days----you will work hard the rest of your career. Yes, the pay will be good, but you will grow tired of ELP and MAF. Variety for you will be the blur of airport hotels and 25 min turns. Enjoy it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[RedDogC130]

The problem is you taxi a lot more in one day than DL pilots do. Get used to it Enjoy it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

And we make a lot more for less work...what is your point?

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

You do now, enjoy it while it lasts. I sincerely hope you do as it will help ALL of us in contract repair. Since the creation of luv, you have been at best middle of the pack or lower in pay, benefits, and workrules. You are at the top now not due to anything swapa has done, but more so bankruptcy judges and the ch11 process.

And we make a lot more for less work...what is your point?

 

[FlyinPiker]

Stop flying commuter jets into LGA. Nothing smaller then a DC-9-30 or B737-500. To many regional jets....its a joke, why waste a slot on that?

I believe the majority of these slots are "commuter slots" and can only be used for such. That's what keeps the smaller communities with service.

Not really US's or DAL's call until those restrictions are lifted....I believe DAL's working on that.

 

[GuppyWN]

You do now, enjoy it while it lasts. I sincerely hope you do as it will help ALL of us in contract repair. Since the creation of luv, you have been at best middle of the pack or lower in pay, benefits, and workrules. You are at the top now not due to anything swapa has done, but more so bankruptcy judges and the ch11 process.

Delta and Northwest pilots VOTED for what you guys have now. Take that crap and try it somebody that doesn't know the facts.

The key is voting in contracts that are sustainable for a profitable company.

Gup