Southeast Airlines closes doors

[FarginDooshbahg]

So, who exactly were you talking about in your first post? I think people assuming you're talking about Airtran aren't off base.

~wheelsup

That's exactly who he was talking about. It's obvious to everyone. Then when someone calls him on it or defends their company, he goes off the deep end, doing exactly to them what he is accusing others of doing. Talk about a whacko.

 

[Cathay747400]

Read The Post

Is run by another industry misfit... There were a number of people involved in the start-up and subsequent operation of Valujet. Most of you might not know whom I'm even talking about but if I may describe one incident... The flight crew noticed that the Horiz trim wasn't working. Maint went out and found out something was wrong (jackscrew perhaps) That mech told the D.O.M that it was broke, the D.O.M in turn said no it is not and told the mech to sign it off. The mech refused the F/O then walked off the plane. The mech reported the incident to the new quality control manager and said that the D.O.M was regularly pencil whipping **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** off. The mech was subsequently fired for insubordination. He wrote the pres of the airline to fix the problem. I complained to the pres as well. Intitially, he was ignored until he said he was going to the FAA. He was hired back oddly enough, told to drop the case, he said no, so they fired him again. I asked the D.O.M about the incident. He said he was getting pressure from the pres to "keep the airplanes flying". Is that enough of a story.

Do people have to die before something gets done. Look like it. There were a series of bad events at Valujet before the glades crash. I am not making this up, fires, blown tires etc... People died before something was finally done. I am sorry FL717, Valujet was an unsafe and dangerous operation PERIOD... IT IS DOCUMENTED...

All I said was there is another operation that needs to shut down, that is all I said. I will not name them because of the employees there. It is not there fault, just like SE. I also said Southeast was an unsafe operation. So all that I have read and heard about SE is not at all true then? Go read willflyforfood.com, and talk to some of their people about what went on there. I did not attack an employee or employee group. FL717 YOU SIR ARE WRONG HERE. You are misinterpreting what it is I am saying.

Again, I did not start the Southeast thread nor any other thread about some questionable carriers. You act like these things never happen. They do and A LOT. I am embarrased about this pissing contest I have gotten into over something I did not start. FL717, you can disagree with me all day and all night, I have no problem with that. But to come out of the box and attack me personally without getting the facts first quite frankly is ludicrous. All you had to do was ask.

FL717, I will not contine this banter with someone like you. YOU ARE VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and are insulting and have blatant disregard for others. You are an angry individual who takes things personally and does not seek the fact prior to reacting. Your attacks on my character and employer are without merit and I am offened personally and professionally by you. You do exactly the same thing I do for a living but have total disregard for people. I find it offenisve that you are even in the same business and I find it offensive that you are even a human being. I wish you the best in your life as YOU HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES. I believe the moderator should put you in the penalty box but he is obvilously busy.

I have requested to have my profile removed. I hope that I have explained myself now.

 

[IAHERJ]

Hmmmm,,

Did I leave the iron on?

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Man....some people have a hard time controlling them selves at the keyboard. I can only imagine what goes on in an airplane.

 

[DonVerita]

Cathay 74 is absolutely correct when posting about the downright SCARY practices that went on at Southeast.

Pilot training was abysmal, maintenance quality control was virtually non-existent. The FAA had them on permanent surviellance. Crews were constantly flying fatigued due to the Company not caring one bit about safety of flight. Airplanes were old, rundown, dirty and hot. You should have seen the cockpits of the DC-9's they had. Straight out of a nightmare. Not the nice upkept ones like NWA has...no these were decrepit in every sense of the word. And how do I know this you may ask. I was there, albeit briefly until I was able to escape that prison.

Here's a few more tidbits you won't hear about in the mainstream media:

1. DC-9 taking off from FLL. Loses an engine enroute. Starts heading towards PIE to land (their maintenance home base). Crew decides to land at TPA (shortest distance FAA thing and all that). They land sucessfully. D.O. calls both pilots into his office; one would think to congratulate them. NO. They get ripped up one side and down the other for landing at TPA. Why? Southeast owed beaucoup money to the Tampa Airport Authority for previous unpaid bills. Tampa impounded the aircraft.

2. Flying another p.o.s DC-9 from either EWR or ABE (can't remember) to Florida. Flight full with those industry leading $59 bucket fares of theirs. SE doesn't have Part 121 full fledged Dispatchers. They have Flight Followers. No sharing of responsibility with a F.F. It is on the Capt. all the way. Half way through the flight, the crew figures out they don't have enough fuel to make it to destination. They land at ORF and sit for 3 hours because nothing has been arranged. Passengers revolt.

3. Capt. is told by D.O. to take a flight even though it is overweight. D.O says they have new numbers. Capt. wants a fax sent. D.O. screams at him on the phone saying, NO. Capt. refuses flight. Capt. gets fired the next day. Capt. takes SE to court and wins.

4. F/O does walkaround of a MD80 they are picking up from the graveyard. One of the tires is shredded. He finds out later this is due to a malfunctioning brake assembly. F/O tells Capt. Capt. who is a former scab decides to go anyway. It's a short hop from Orlando Sanford to PIE. They write it up in PIE. A few days later the same F/O is flying a different airplane and notices the same brake assembly. Calls out the crack maintenance team. "Oh...well the brake assembly on your plane needed to be replaced and we didn't have any new or refurbished ones in stock so we gave you this one". So they go. During takeoff or landing (don't remember which) they get a "Wheel Lockup" light. The faulty brake assembly shredded that tire too.

So when some say, "They never killed anybody"; it would only have been a matter of time before they did.

Yes...Southeast Airlines should have been shut down by the FAA a long time ago for shoddy maintenance, shoddy pilot training or lack thereof, and endangering the public.

Yesterday a Tampa news station had video of former SE employees picketing the very expensive home of Southeast owner Thomas Kaufenbach in the posh St. Pete area known as Tierra Verde. Sorry there is no video link to it, but you can see the short text recap with photos below:

www.baynews9.com/content/36/2004/12/5/64052.html

 

[FLB717]

I just want everyone to notice I didn't get in the yelling match, for once it wasn't me, it was the other FL717. LMAO

 

[habubuaza]

Who to believe, who to believe, who to believe!!

http://www.flyseal.com/

http://www.unitedbank.com/SouthEast.htm