Sorry PSA..

[Flyer1015]

Why blame PSA pilots? Endeavor started it with their 12/4 year caps. PSA is just following in steps behind. I'd imagine other regional airlines will be forced to vote on 12/4 yr caps as well.

 

[IFLYASA]

Why blame PSA pilots? Endeavor started it with their 12/4 year caps. PSA is just following in steps behind. I'd imagine other regional airlines will be forced to vote on 12/4 yr caps as well.

If Endeavor jumped off a cliff, does PSA have to as well? No.

 

[Skippy]

My jump seat is closed to psa and pinacle or what ever u call your self this week. U watch there will be a back lash to this. Your companys will win contracts but won't win new hires. Why go to a ******************** paying regional when same qualifications are with the majors. Oh and by the way do u think the majors will keep hiring like crazy. I see regionals as costing very little a fraction of the cost of mainline. U watch they will create more ******************** paying jobs flying 76 seat aircraft. By whoring your talent u have helped keep pay and quality of life at a whole new low.

When all other regionals follow, it will still be a great job with crappy pay

 

[WSurf]

When all other regionals follow, it will still be a great job with crappy pay

Regional and Great Job in the same sentence! How dare you!

 

[N4niner206]

Why blame PSA pilots? Endeavor started it with their 12/4 year caps. PSA is just following in steps behind. I'd imagine other regional airlines will be forced to vote on 12/4 yr caps as well.

Yes... Others may be forced to VOTE IT DOWN. You do realize they voluntarily took concessions during a time of record profitability, right??? Continuing with what they already had would have been a lot better...

61% of you better start formulating an excuse explaining why you would do this... You are going to have a lot of pilots asking. Oddly enough, i bet we will be hard pressed to find anyone that will admit they are part that voted it in.

Anyone here want to man up and admit, and present your case?

 

[IBNAV8R]

My guess is that NONE of the PSA stains will admit to voting for it.

That said, my jumpseat is not a political tool. Anyone who shows up with the proper credentials, attire and attitude will get a ride.

It may not be a quiet trip, however.

 

[Max Q]

Stockholm syndrome.

 

[1.3XVso]

Yes... Others may be forced to VOTE IT DOWN. You do realize they voluntarily took concessions during a time of record profitability, right??? Continuing with what they already had would have been a lot better...

61% of you better start formulating an excuse explaining why you would do this... You are going to have a lot of pilots asking. Oddly enough, i bet we will be hard pressed to find anyone that will admit they are part that voted it in.

Anyone here want to man up and admit, and present your case?

They had to feed their family. That's the talk here with my fellow pukes at pinnacle. Every single person I ask voted "no" and I counted more than 400 people. A few of my " friends" said they voted yes.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

They had to feed their family.

What are they feeding their children and wives, bulk dog food?

 

[Flyer1015]

If Endeavor jumped off a cliff, does PSA have to as well? No.

No, but it sets the new industry standard. The question here isn't if you have to jump off a cliff, it's how far down you are willing to fall. Every airline goes off a cliff in negotiations (as in, things go bad/down). Endeavor set the new low threshold and other airlines want to fall to that level. In a cutthroat regional industry where every regional is competing with each other for the same type of flying with limited major partners, then they will be right up against each other in terms of labor costs.

 

[1.3XVso]

What are they feeding their children and wives, bulk dog food?

Lmao this industry is just plain f u c k e d up. I can't stand looking at these clowns walking down the terminals acting like they saved the airline ( pinnacle). PSA show their true colors and so will others. I work with a bunch of p u s s I e a.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

No, but it sets the new industry standard. The question here isn't if you have to jump off a cliff, it's how far down you are willing to fall. Every airline goes off a cliff in negotiations (as in, things go bad/down). Endeavor set the new low threshold and other airlines want to fall to that level. In a cutthroat regional industry where every regional is competing with each other for the same type of flying with limited major partners, then they will be right up against each other in terms of labor costs.

Completely untrue! The worst of the bunch(Lakes and Silver), are already having a very hard time getting anyone to fill the right seat. They have been resorting to using captains as first officers and still canceling flights, and even pulling out of markets. Republic and Eagle are being forced into giving $5000.00 bonuses to get their new hires. There was no need to for PSA, or Bendeavor for that matter to take any concessions!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

There was no need to for PSA, or Bendeavor for that matter to take any concessions!

Now that they have it might be very difficult for them to recruit. Let's hope that's the case and both of those dumps go Chapter 7 sooner than later (yes-voters and all).

 

[Kaman]

Giving concessions to a profitable company defeats the purpose of having a union in the first place. Why PSA's MEC felt that this TA was going to be a positive move for the pilots of PSA and I might add the pilots of ALPA a good thing is mind-boggling. The time has come to have some fundamental changes in the way ALPA is structured. Scrapping the association system and forming a single trade-type union would allow ALPA to set rates for each type of equipment flown by ALPA pilots and a pathway to an eventual single-seniority list. The paradigm needs to shift, or the "race to the bottom" will continue.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Now that they have it might be very difficult for them to recruit. Let's hope that's the case and both of those dumps go Chapter 7 sooner than later (yes-voters and all).

Couldn't happen to a better group of sell-outs!

 

[Waylon]

Any bets that when the Sky West pilots face this decision they too will bend over. When the Grim Reaper shows up at your company things change. Of course they will cry that everybody else did we had no choice.

 

[SoberIrishman]

I feel like posting some choice words about the PSA tools, but to be honest am quite speechless. Idiots.

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[Rekks Inbound]

Giving concessions to a profitable company defeats the purpose of having a union in the first place. Why PSA's MEC felt that this TA was going to be a positive move for the pilots of PSA and I might add the pilots of ALPA a good thing is mind-boggling. The time has come to have some fundamental changes in the way ALPA is structured. Scrapping the association system and forming a single trade-type union would allow ALPA to set rates for each type of equipment flown by ALPA pilots and a pathway to an eventual single-seniority list. The paradigm needs to shift, or the "race to the bottom" will continue.

^^^THIS^^^!

Peace.

Rekks

 

[damnflyboy]

Now I hope Airways interviews 100 PSA pilots a month and only hires the required 4. That way within a year or two all of the PSA pilots will be locked at the current pay rate teaching them a valuable lesson. Sleep in the bed you made yourself.

I hope you're right. But airlines don't want strong-willed employees that look out for each other, but rather the whole. They want proven, breakable minions. They will take those who jump when their superiors say "jump"---all in the name of "US Airways", or "Delta", or "United"...or whoever.

This is reality sets in. Look at the pool of recent hires at one airline in particular. They have a targeted demographic divided into sub-categories of the malleable. It's a microcosm of divide-&-conquer. They want those who prefer 1) security, 2) the ability/desire to prove something to society, and 3) those who respect & follow.

It's perfect. The diversity is beautiful to the airline because they can control it. Trends are almost never accidental and very seldom coincidental.

There's always an exception to the rule, but pay attention to the rule. I was HR at a very large company before. We were instructed that there is such thing as a right kind of weakness and a wrong kind of strength.

Management 101. Control your weapon on the battlefield or else it will also kill you.

Nothing personal. Chalk it up to "life sucks."

 

[SpauldingSmails]

The only winner with this latest TA are GoJet pilots. They get to breathe a sigh of relief that the $h1t burning spotlight is off of them for one moment in time.