something up at XJ

[xjgearbtch]

just got the call from planning AVRO class in Aug cancelled.
NWA coffee slingers got a TA.

50 bucks says mesaba will perform a miracle and actually start to negotiate. It's getting to be crunch time for management. Well they can kiss the brown star if they think I'll vote yes for a paycut.

 

[AWACO]

Anyone know if all downgrade/transition classes been cancelled?

 

[SEVEN]

The next couple of weeks will be very interesting. Let's just see if they cancel the upcoming furlough planned for August.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Nothing on Mymesaba.com yet.

 

[Northern Lights]

What are the class dates and furlough dates supposed to be?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Word from Kim in crew planning is that the Avro classes are delayed until September at least. . .

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The avro's probably aren't going anywhere; they have no aircraft avialable to replace these things. Even If they were to go with another aircraft type, it will be at least a year before they can get even one of them on property.

 

[gnx99]

The next couple of weeks will be very interesting. Let's just see if they cancel the upcoming furlough planned for August.

I was thinking that was a possibility, until they came out with the second voluntary furlough notice.

uke: Spanjers
uke: Foley

 

[Napoleon TNT]

Well they can kiss the brown star if they think I'll vote yes for a paycut.

The funny thing is, with the 1113c ruling, you don't get to vote.

 

[SEVEN]

The funny thing is, with the 1113c ruling, you don't get to vote.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you still get to vote on a TA if it's agreed upon between the two parties.

 

[N590MA]

If the company and the union get a TA then we vote on it. If the company imposes what they want then we vote with or feet by walking in front of the terminal in circles carrying a sign.

 

[xjhawk]

i second that motion, i beleive with attrition the way it is, management knows that most the pilots are planning some other career move but are waiting it out to see what happens. So the rumor i heard today, i heard from a former avro instructor who talked to a guy who heard from someone in the trainnig department......yeah i know, its a stretch...so take it at face value.....that the saab class might be delayed or cancelled. to me, that makes sence, cause if they can make some sort of deal, or try to impose something, they would save a butload of money by not having to train then retrain, then train someone on a new AC. All the timing with he NWA FA's making a deal.....sounds like we might have a carrot to think about taking.......i cannot wait til management wonders why all these pilots are passing on a contract....and want to walk......do they not know they pissed everyone off......i wonder what will happen

 

[nwaredtail]

I flew with a "mockity Mock" at NWA who said the AVRO's are definently gone. Who will fly the replacement plane, who knows, but her's where some are going.

CityJet to acquire 23 Avro RJ85s

Air France-KLM's Irish subsidiary CityJet has acquired 23 BAE Systems Avro RJ85s formerly operated for Northwest Airlines by regional carrier Mesaba to enable it to replace its ageing BAe 146 fleet.

The first of the aircraft, which can seat over 100 passengers, will enter the fleet in November and all 23 will be in service by the middle of next year.

The ex-Mesaba aircraft have been acquired from BAE Systems and US-based financial underwriters and securitisation specialist MBIA in an investment that the airline values at $221 million.

"The phased introduction of the new aircraft from November represents significant investment not only in fleet replacement, but also in the company's future," the airline says.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

There are no replacement aircraft, there is a two year waiting list. It will take 4 years to replace the current avro's. Although they may pull some 9's out of the desert to cover the market share.

 

[DoinTime]

There are no replacement aircraft, there is a two year waiting list. It will take 4 years to replace the current avro's.

It's a good thing they got on the waiting list a year and a half ago.

 

[nwaredtail]

Actually, there are alot of production slots open because of Jetblue backing off their orders. My guess is that a 3rd party, such as Skywest,ASA, Comair will fill in the void while the new planes come over the next few years.

DC-9 and 320 flying has been increaseed due to the AVRO going away..

 

[gnx99]

It's a good thing they got on the waiting list a year and a half ago.

Exactly. Wasn't Mesaba in line for 15 CRJs, plus possibly more for some unspecified operator?

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Just curious..............what orders are JetBlue backing off? Last I heard they are selling 5 aircraft. More planes are being delivered every month. where do you get your info? B6 gets new aircraft every other week at least.

 

[Spinn555]

If the company and the union get a TA then we vote on it. If the company imposes what they want then we vote with or feet by walking in front of the terminal in circles carrying a sign.

That doesn't really sound like a vote to me, if you think about it. Either you vote YES on any TA that comes about, or you get forced into the TA by the company.

Besides, what would come up in a TA that would actually be good? Mesaba's union bosses have already said that the current negotiations have NO IMPROVEMENTS over current book. That's union for "Things are not looking so good."

If you are saying you will walk if you don't like what comes to you in the TA, then why not walk now? You will not make ANY gains in QOL, Pay, 401K, Training, ANYTHING with this TA.

 

[nwaredtail]

Jetblue changed the delivery time and number of E-190's over the next few years, as they cooled their expansion a bit. It was all over the boards and their ticker news a few months back. The plane slots are available for any "e" model if their are buyers. So, in other words, if nwa or some leasing compnay wants one bad enough, they can get it.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

The choice is still there. A yes vote or a strike vote (no). This will probably envoke more thought (or at least should) than a normal contract vote (I would believe anyway). I sure as heck wouldn't throw away everything I have though based on what I THINK will happen. XJ pilots have come this far, they might as well stick with it long enough to see what the future may look like.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

IF we had to come up with a new contract, why can't we throw in some non-monetary items as improvements. I don't want concessions, but IF they are coming, can't we get something in return? Couldn't we get things like a seat on the board? Firm up some contract oversights in reserve scheduling?

I think this is all a travishamockery, but IF we're gonna get bent, can't we get something more than paycuts in return?

 

[PCL_128]

There are no replacement aircraft, there is a two year waiting list.

Now I know your sources are bad. Listen to DoinTime.

 

[gnx99]

IF we had to come up with a new contract, why can't we throw in some non-monetary items as improvements. I don't want concessions, but IF they are coming, can't we get something in return? Couldn't we get things like a seat on the board? Firm up some contract oversights in reserve scheduling?

I think this is all a travishamockery, but IF we're gonna get bent, can't we get something more than paycuts in return?

I was thinking the same thing. From my reserve standpoint, it would be nice to have a 2 hour call-out vs. 1.5. Or reduce the contact time by and hour or two. Seriously, 14 hours!? I'm sure line-holders could think of other such things....

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I was thinking the same thing. From my reserve standpoint, it would be nice to have a 2 hour call-out vs. 1.5. Or reduce the contact time by and hour or two. Seriously, 14 hours!? I'm sure line-holders could think of other such things....

Or how about firming up the last-out and first-out language? No more of this "in the same position" BS. If I'm junior to you, and I can do the trip, I go.

How about adding some language against junior manning with people on furlough? So many JMs equals call-backs.

How about preventing so much flying out of position? No more treating LCAs like FOs several times a month.

How about adding a long-call reserve?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Now I know your sources are bad. Listen to DoinTime.

Where are the jets then?

 

[Beach Bum]

IF we had to come up with a new contract, why can't we throw in some non-monetary items as improvements. I don't want concessions, but IF they are coming, can't we get something in return? Couldn't we get things like a seat on the board? Firm up some contract oversights in reserve scheduling?

How about language in the contract that states whenever executives/management receives million dollar bonuses, the rank and file employees receive at least as much to divide?

After all, if the airline has millions of excess dollars to distribute, it means the employees must be working hard to make the company so successful, hence they should share in the big bonuses too.

If the employees don't get a bonus, neither does management/execs.

Either everyone gets a bonus, or no one receives one.

 

[DoinTime]

Where are the jets then?

As I implied they are six months away.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

As I implied they are six months away.

Six months from when? They haven't even decided on what aircraft to buy.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

12 to 8 my friends 12 to 8