Some FLTO Mechanics Want a Union

[Dep676]

Simba, I'm trying to figure out who you are. But anyway, so you're saying that a union for the Maintenance department would fix the holiday pay policy? I agree along with a lot of other folks that it does cater to those that work the "normal" schedule. But we are a 24/7 operation and the one who actually make the difference must work long shifts, weekends, and odd hours. G.M. is just an HR person, not and aviation person and clearly doesn't understand what these people need. If he did, he would have designed a holiday pay policy the fit our orginization (like we had with RAS).

Who cares who he is. Are you management or just trying to get them fired? They are voicing their opinion how the MX personnel are getting screwed. Just because you are a 24/7 operation does not mean you should not get holiday pay. Hell even the dispatchers get holiday pay. Take a look in the company manual, it spells out all holiday pay.

Just remember all of upper management care about one thing and that is moving airplanes and intimidating the employees to what they (upper management) wants.

You mention having aviation people. Well the CEO is suppose to be an aviation person, one that hates pilots and employees in general. Just look at the newest salesman, a garage door salesman. That should be a real advantage in the aviation business. Maybe he can get a good deal on new hangar doors but thats about it.

You guys will wake up someday like the pilots did. At least you better for your sake.

 

[Phoenix]

Simba, I'm trying to figure out who you are. But anyway, so you're saying that a union for the Maintenance department would fix the holiday pay policy? I agree along with a lot of other folks that it does cater to those that work the "normal" schedule. But we are a 24/7 operation and the one who actually make the difference must work long shifts, weekends, and odd hours. G.M. is just an HR person, not and aviation person and clearly doesn't understand what these people need. If he did, he would have designed a holiday pay policy the fit our orginization (like we had with RAS).

skanza,



The answer to your back handed question is yes a Union/contract would fix your holiday pay and many other things that are very much askew at Options. Holiday pay is the least of them. The Mechanics and the Pilots at Options are the only "professional" aviation employees that the company has yet we are the groups that are treated with the most disdain by top management. I say the top because that is where the abhorrence toward the aviation professionals at Options descends from. Middle management is only passing on what the CEO of our company dictates.



A contract will make it very difficult for a CEO current of future to change our work environment, pay and benefits at will and management will do anything to prevent Unionization and the negotiation of a contract. These important employee protections remove considerable power from managements hands and the loss of that power it exactly what management is so afraid of and what they will do anything to preserve.



For that reason Simba should remain in anonymity for the time being and not allow you or anyone else he would not trust with his wife and children to know who he is. Should management discover who he is they surly will arrange for his swift departure from the company.



Phoenix

 

[simba]

The following is something I posted on another threa. This info needs to get out to everyone in the company.

"This time the company is screwing every single employee with the new pay schedule.

Doesn't matter if you're salary, salary non-exempt, or hourly. The company converts your yearly pay into hours for ease of calculation.

Check this out. We all know that 40 hours a week multiplied by 52 weeks equals 2080, right? Well, our fantastic friends in management (M.S. and G.M. - V.P. of H.R.) forgot that.

In the first 6 months of 2007 we have received 6 paychecks (bi-monthly) with 86.67 hours on them and on 4/13 we will start to receive 6 more paychecks (bi-weekly) with 80 hours on each one. You can check the math any way you like, it always adds up to 1000 hours. The last 6 months of 2007 we will receive 13 checks with 80 each = 1040 hours.

WHERE DID THE 40 HOURS FROM THE FIRST 6 MONTHS GO?

The change to a 2 week payroll will save Flight Options $1,500,000. That's just me using the number of active empoyees times 40 hours times an average hourly wage. It is definitely more.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!

Wouldn't you like to put that chunk of change in you bank account?

This "over sight" was brought to G.M.'s attention by numerous people from many different departments. He couldn't see the "error." Just like he couldn't see the "error" in his awesome Holiday Pay plan. He is a "special boy."

Incidentally, regarding that Holiday Pay plan. In case you haven't heard, the "salary non-exempt" folks are given a bank of 48 hours to use over the 6 holidays in the year. Initially it doesn't look bad but take this into consideration: the OCC, OSR, Flight Planning, International, and the entire Maintenance department do not work 8 hour shifts. They will run out of holiday pay on Thanksgiving Day. Since S.M. & G.M. believe everyone likes this plan and refuse to consider a change, odds are very good that there will be an incredible number of people with the creeping crud on Christmas Day. In fact, if I were a betting man, I'd bet the farm on that horse."

 

[netjetwife]

Some words of encouragement--

http://www.bluemountain.com/view.pd?i=164243857&m=1932&rr=y&source=bma999


I think it's great that pilots support the mechanics. You're all in the fight together and there is strength in numbers. There will always be a group that you have to drag kicking and screaming (their doom and gloom message) into a brighter, more secure future. It was my experience that they are the selfish and/or fearful ones. Just go for the majority who can easily see the truth of your posts. The good news is that you will pick up more supporters as you go along. Even some of the naysayers eventually come around.
Good Luck!
NJW

 

[RVATOR]

I suppose this thread got filed too soon for the MX guys. I dont know that a union would have been able to stop the screwing before the axing of a few weeks ago but just thought it a bit clairvoiant of a thread.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Simba, I'm trying to figure out who you are.

Shut the F*** up.

WTF am I seeing your posts when I had you on ignore????!!!!

 

[skanza]

*head in sand*

Shut the F*** up.

WTF am I seeing your posts when I had you on ignore????!!!!

Voice of Crap, I don't understand the rampid use of the ignore function. It seems like it would cause one to sink further into your dilusional world of "There's no other way than the Union way!". Ignoring people with differing opinions/views limits your capablity to form a well-reasoned and inciteful outlook on things. Especially sensitive subjects like Union Labor, politics, and religion, to name a few. I'm sorry you are limiting yourself like this, but its your loss I guess.
Life is more difficult when you're un-informed.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Voice of Crap, I don't understand the rampid use of the ignore function. It seems like it would cause one to sink further into your dilusional world of "There's no other way than the Union way!". Ignoring people with differing opinions/views limits your capablity to form a well-reasoned and inciteful outlook on things. Especially sensitive subjects like Union Labor, politics, and religion, to name a few. I'm sorry you are limiting yourself like this, but its your loss I guess.
Life is more difficult when you're un-informed.

Nowhere near as difficult as it is for those who are part of the rampant spread of illiteracy on this board. The delusional might feel that one's capability in the realm of the educated is of no relevance to his credibility with regard to the subject at hand. The insightful, however, know that the skewed views of the illiterate and uninformed are of no consequence in the real world, and serve only to unsuccessfully attempt to incite turmoil amongst those they know they will never measure up against.
As much as I'd love to continue to educate you on the intricacies of utilizing the vocabulary and critical thought processes that you should have learned in primary school, (and as much as you require it), I must now reenter you to my ignore list, for I am feeling substantially dumber for reading your drivel.
(...something about refusing to waste time battling wits with the unarmed lower caste).
Carry on.


PS--ugly as fug chick in your avatar, btw (understand that wording, lol)?

 

[skanza]

Nowhere near as difficult as it is for those who are part of the rampant spread of illiteracy on this board. The delusional might feel that one's capability in the realm of the educated is of no relevance to his credibility with regard to the subject at hand. The insightful, however, know that the skewed views of the illiterate and uninformed are of no consequence in the real world, and serve only to unsuccessfully attempt to incite turmoil amongst those they know they will never measure up against.
As much as I'd love to continue to educate you on the intricacies of utilizing the vocabulary and critical thought processes that you should have learned in primary school, (and as much as you require it), I must now reenter you to my ignore list, for I am feeling substantially dumber for reading your drivel.
(...something about refusing to waste time battling wits the unarmed lower caste).
Carry on.


PS--ugly as fug chick in your avatar, btw (understand that wording, lol)?

Whew! That was some good spell checking on your part. Thanks. Big words scare me too.
But anyways, you failed to get the point. That is, you will not have a well rounded view on anything unless you view all sides-by definition of well rounded. Don't you think something as seemingly important as a union deserves a well-rounded view?

Typing in red bold doesn't change the content, nor does commenting on an avatar. Unless you'd like to go back to high school...

 

[RVATOR]

Ok right I thought this was a thread about a possible flight options mech. union not a beat up skanza retoric. I was actually curious what the pro union guys had to say about the lack of a union with the mechs and if it would have changed the outcome of the recent mess.
Has Simba fallen victim to the circle of life? (e.g. was simba fired with the rest of them lately?)

 

[netjetwife]

I think it could have helped because the more people you get at one time standing up for themselves the easier it is to get the message across. Management typically tries to pit one group of workers against another but if others are also organized that sleazy tactic is harder to pull off.

During the NJA contract dispute I used the following quote here. It is very appropriate for the situation that has been forced upon the Options pilots and mechanics due to inept management and a CEO who lacks integrity. Good luck to all of you! NJW

"We must in deed all hang together or most assuredly, we will all hang separately" -
Benjamin Franklin