So, what new procedures from the FAA?

[wmuflyguy]

They should just the load the accident flightpath into the sim and make everyone sit and watch it unfold. Should scare us all into doing something similar.

 

[densoo]

The last major accident (Colgan) was also a stall. Fatigue and airspeed decay are common threads. We got the rest reg. Now look for a major push for stall training, maybe even a recurrent at your local FBO in a C-172. Level flight stall, right descending, left descending, idle approach stall. Once a year, paid for by employer.

 

[dougdrvr]

Bring back night, circling NDB approaches to the curriculum............uh.....wait......never mind, bad idea.

I know! Let's add something to the checklist! Perhaps some more required call outs!

 

[pilotgolfer]

The last major accident (Colgan) was also a stall. Fatigue and airspeed decay are common threads. We got the rest reg. Now look for a major push for stall training, maybe even a recurrent at your local FBO in a C-172. Level flight stall, right descending, left descending, idle approach stall. Once a year, paid for by employer.

Why don't they require the Major airlines to be accountable and liable for the screw-ups of any carrier in their codeshare or alliance. Fine...if you want Turkish Air or Asiana in your codeshare...go for it. But if I buy a ticket on United or American and some idiot kills a planefull of pax...let the major take the blame. They will change their ways quickly.

 

[Abernathy]

Will mandate greater use of automation for all approaches, such as, you shall not turn off autopilot until 1000' even on a VFR day and shall not turn off auto throttle until 50'. Boeing will develop software that will override pilots if out parameters below 1000'.

Other way around. The FAA has finally realized the problems with over automation and this crash is a perfect example of the eventual results of over automation and the degradation of actual piloting skills associated with it.

 

[wms]

There will be a number of factors involved leading up to the unstable approach.Lack of proficiency hand-flying, fatigue, new plane, difficult airport, distractions, etc. But the crash could've been avoided after all of that with sound judgment and decision making, such as going around when they were unstable as high as 1000' agl.

 

[LJ45]

EGPWS could have a min speed set by the operator programmed into the software. It would be the min ref that would ever be used on that aircraft. another warning before the stick shaker. "too slow, speed" just like too low gear etc.

Honeywell, I want credit for this one !!!!!

 

[densoo]

Other way around. The FAA has finally realized the problems with over automation and this crash is a perfect example of the eventual results of over automation and the degradation of actual piloting skills associated with it.

I hope you're right because we know this is the problem. However the bottom line is what the airlines obsess over, not safety, and safety is expensive. The FAA will only mandate money-costing changes under great pressure. It took a literal act of Congress to change the rest rules.

 

[densoo]

Why don't they require the Major airlines to be accountable and liable for the screw-ups of any carrier in their codeshare or alliance. Fine...if you want Turkish Air or Asiana in your codeshare...go for it. But if I buy a ticket on United or American and some idiot kills a planefull of pax...let the major take the blame. They will change their ways quickly.

In a nutshell, "safety's not my job, it's the FAA's."

"A year after the Colgan crash, then-Continental Airlines CEO Jeffrey Smisek angered victims' families when he said it was the FAA's responsibility to ensure Colgan's pilots were properly trained, not Continental's.

"We did not train those pilots. We did not maintain those aircraft. We did not operate the aircraft. But we expect them to be safe. We expect the Federal Aviation Administration to do its job," Smisek told a hearing of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/new-report-questions-faas-airline-safety-promise

And the Colgan execs used the same argument for their own accident, saying they had met all FAA requirements therefore were not at fault. That if the FAA wants them to meet higher standards then they'll have to set them first.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

The gentleman at the controls had just under 10,000 hours.

10,000 doing trans pac ops equals 1000 landings/2= 500 personal landings. The average EMB120 F/O will log that many landings in less than a year. Hours do not always provide equal experience.