So much for looking out for the guy you fly with.

[ArcadiaMaxima]

U.S. passenger plane pilot accused of flying drunk


DENVER (Reuters) - The first officer of a United Express flight has been indicted on charges of piloting a commercial airliner while drunk during a flight from Austin, Texas, to Denver in December.
The federal grand jury indictment, returned late on Wednesday against co-pilot xxxxxxxxx, 32, of Norfolk, Virginia, gave no details of the alleged incident other than to say that United Express Flight 7687 was operated by Shuttle America, Inc.
Jeffrey Dorschner, a spokesman for the Attorney's Office in Denver, gave no information about how or why xxxxxxx was suspected of flying under the influence, except to say that:
"During the flight, the pilot had concerns."
Dorschner said the plane was not being flown erratically. A source close to the case said, "Passengers were never in danger."
Attorney John Walsh said special agents of the Transportation Department's Office of Inspector General, who investigated the alleged crime, "are in the process of locating xxxxx."
(Editing by Xavier Briand)
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did the Captain rat him out?

xxx'ed out his name just because

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Maybe he failed a random test after he landed.

 

[pedropcola]

There are very few things that I have truly zero tolerance for but this is certainly one of them. I would tell a guy to call in sick but I don't think you should have to be a babysitter for a grown man. If you are too stupid or unprofessional to fly under the influence then you deserve anything you get. To call out the other guy for the other guy flying drunk? GMAB. I don't want my loved ones anywhere near this a@@hat. Find another job where your bad judgement won't kill hundreds.

 

[dh82dvr]

You don't have to be the babysitter for anyone, however, you do have a responsibility to not let the aeroplane leave the gate if you think the other guy is not fit to fly for any reason.

 

[screech]

A drunk pilot? shocking! In other news, the Pope is Catholic.

 

[pedropcola]

Well, assuming the assumption that the other guy turned him in is correct, then you have to figure he didn't find out until it was too late. IF he turned him in after the flight I doubt he would have trouble turning him in before the flight. Either way the don't fly drunk rule still applies. ZERO sympathy.

 

[Bill Nelson]

After an Austin to Denver flight I'd guess the guy wouldn't still be legally drunk, if he ever was, if it wasn't bad enough to be noticed prior to flight. If he was drunk when they landed there would have been an arrest rather than an indictment months later. If there was an arrest at the time the mandatory breathalyzer will tell the whole story.

I bet the real story has more to do with someones wife or an old girlfriend rather than a drunk pilot.

Someone forgot to turn the fart fan on, it stinks in here.

 

[Fox-Tree]

..Find another job where your bad judgement won't kill hundreds.

Hundreds? It's an RJ. The best he could take out would be 50 in most cases............. 70 tops depending on the scope clause.

 

[pedropcola]

My bad. If it's only 50 or so, no worries.

Seriously though, I know that lots of you guys want the sympathy light on but I just can't do it. If he blew over the limit, blood test, whatever after the flight from Aus to Den he had no business in the cockpit. Why insist on protecting this guy. Find him more suitable work. If I do the same thing, show me the door as well. This isn't a complex scenario. If you have a problem, get some help BEFORE someone solves the problem for you.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Good point though. This could be a girlfriend/exwife who made a call to the FAA and said she was drinking with him 4 hours before he was suppose to fly just to get him in trouble.

 

[Mike man]

70 tops depending on the scope clause.

It was a United Express flight...70 might be the max PAX on one airplane, but more than half of all United pax ride on express flights.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

One more reason to get rid of UAX

 

[GuppyWN]

There are very few things that I have truly zero tolerance for but this is certainly one of them. I would tell a guy to call in sick but I don't think you should have to be a babysitter for a grown man. If you are too stupid or unprofessional to fly under the influence then you deserve anything you get. To call out the other guy for the other guy flying drunk? GMAB. I don't want my loved ones anywhere near this a@@hat. Find another job where your bad judgement won't kill hundreds.

Unless, of course, the "drunk" guy didn't realize he was intoxicated. Isn't that was intoxicated means?

If you suspect your flying partner is intoxicated insist he/she call in sick or do it for them - before you get to the airport.

Gup

 

[pedropcola]

"Unless, of course, the "drunk" guy didn't realize he was intoxicated. Isn't that was intoxicated means"

We must have different dictionaries because that is not what intoxicated means. Even if a vindictive girlfriend dropped a dime on him he still had to blow over the limit. Stop defending a guy who made a dangerous decision. Sure, tell him to call in sick, urge him to get help, those are all good choices. Flying under the influence isn't.

 

[jonjuan]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Airli...l?x=0&.v=1&.pf=real-estate&mod=pf-real-estate

 

[GuppyWN]

"Unless, of course, the "drunk" guy didn't realize he was intoxicated. Isn't that was intoxicated means"

We must have different dictionaries because that is not what intoxicated means. Even if a vindictive girlfriend dropped a dime on him he still had to blow over the limit. Stop defending a guy who made a dangerous decision. Sure, tell him to call in sick, urge him to get help, those are all good choices. Flying under the influence isn't.

in·tox·i·cate

-to affect temporarily with diminished physical and mental control by means of alcoholic liquor, a drug, or another substance, especially to excite or stupefy with liquor.


You do what you want but I'm going to try to help a brother out if I have a hint he/she is impaired. Hope you never come across a situation where your career is ended because your flying partner stood by and watched the train wreck.

Gup

 

[Kharma Police]

in·tox·i·cate

-to affect temporarily with diminished physical and mental control by means of alcoholic liquor, a drug, or another substance, especially to excite or stupefy with liquor.


You do what you want but I'm going to try to help a brother out if I have a hint he/she is impaired. Hope you never come across a situation where your career is ended because your flying partner stood by and watched the train wreck.

Gup

So true, bros before hoes!

 

[Bob Dylan]

So true, bros before hoes!

GMAFB

I guess a drunk driver wiping out an innocent family is ok in your book too. Sorry, these dimwits have no business in this industry, or any other.

 

[Kharma Police]

GMAFB

I guess a drunk driver wiping out an innocent family is ok in your book too. Sorry, these dimwits have no business in this industry, or any other.

You got that right, I would make the dude phone in sick for his trip or I would do it for him, then make him call the HIMS Coordinator. That's how we roll, which is why you will never make it over at Southwest.

 

[Bob Dylan]

which is why you will never make it over at Southwest.

And you're an AirTran captain, which is why you'll never be at Southwest either. HAHAHAHA. Just kidding dude.

 

[Kharma Police]

And you're an AirTran captain, which is why you'll never be at Southwest either. HAHAHAHA. Just kidding dude.

I'm where you will never be, so I guess the joke's on you.

 

[Bob Dylan]

I'm where you will never be, so I guess the joke's on you.

Yep, Guadaloupe Holdings Airlines!! Yee haw!

I never really aspired to being there though, sorry dude.

 

[Kharma Police]

Yep, Guadaloupe Holdings Airlines!! Yee haw!

I never really aspired to being there though, sorry dude.

We all can't be Corrosion Corner supplemental cargo pilots too! At least the weather's warm in Miami! Best of luck trying to get an interview with Southwest! If you are having trouble with the SWA application and can't find 3 friends to lie and write what a, "great guy" you are, then I would be happy to help out!

 

[Bob Dylan]

We all can't be Corrosion Corner supplemental cargo pilots too! At least the weather's warm in Miami! Best of luck trying to get an interview with Southwest! If you are having trouble with the SWA application and can't find 3 friends to lie and write what a, "great guy" you are, then I would be happy to help out!

Dude, seriously?? I can't believe you would make fun of a bunch of hardworking MD-11 drivers. I kid around with you because you just hit the lottery and are being greedy. You seem to like to pick on guys less fortunate than you.

Also, you offering to help me with my Southwest app is silly, because you know and I know that you will probably never be over there unless you are one of the Guadaloupe Airlines pilots that get a preferential interview with Southwest in a couple years. Good luck with that. I will probably be on at Southwest before that ever happens.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Welcome to the new form of East vs. West thread drift.

At least it stayed on topic for the whole first page.

 

[Kharma Police]

Dude, seriously?? I can't believe you would make fun of a bunch of hardworking MD-11 drivers. I kid around with you because you just hit the lottery and are being greedy. You seem to like to pick on guys less fortunate than you.

Also, you offering to help me with my Southwest app is silly, because you know and I know that you will probably never be over there unless you are one of the Guadaloupe Airlines pilots that get a preferential interview with Southwest in a couple years. Good luck with that. I will probably be on at Southwest before that ever happens.

Will you write me a letter for my Southwest preferential interview, please?!?!

 

[pedropcola]

Back to the thread. Guppy you want to turn this into the "other" guys fault. I said it before, I guess I will repeat myself, if the guy shows up at lobby and doesn't seem ready to go I will suggest to him that he needs to find a way off the trip, call in sick, whatever. If he doesn't take that advice or I don't notice (he says hi and sits in the back of the van or whatever) it is most definitely not on me.

I have been intoxicated many times and you can post the definition all you want the end result is the same. You know when you are drunk. You might be one of those guys who has a few, or more, and still think you are ok to drive. Guess what, you're not.

These threads ALWAYS turn into why the other guy didn't save the day. Well guess what, for every one of these idiotic stories there are probably dozens of stories where the other guy talked him into calling in sick. That SHOULD piss us off that your flying partners are putting us all at risk. Not only your life and the pax but also your livelihood. How many smoking holes do you think it will take to tank your lifestyle? Instead we sound like a bunch of welfare mama's decrying our bad luck that the bad man didn't take care of us.

Cry me a f****** river. Give it a rest and show up to work sober. Not a tough concept.

 

[Mr Wu]

Since when did a regional f/o make enough money to get drunk?

 

[Dooker]

Seriously, what's the big deal with flying drunk? I don't mean drunk drunk, but having just a teensy tiny little buzz? Driving drunk, now that's different. All those lanes and intersections and crosswalks and merging traffic demand some serious quick-reaction time. But it's pretty hard to mess up taxiing around an airport, unless you're developmentally disabled, and once you're in the air and you hand it over to George, it's not like you're going to sidewswipe anybody.

Granted, landing does take some skill and concentration, but usually by the time you land you're sober again, so there you go.

 

[Varmint]

We all can't be Corrosion Corner supplemental cargo pilots too! At least the weather's warm in Miami! Best of luck trying to get an interview with Southwest! If you are having trouble with the SWA application and can't find 3 friends to lie and write what a, "great guy" you are, then I would be happy to help out!

Totally classless. Your not even at SWA yet, think you are, and have the ego to prove it. SWA should give everyone at AirTran preferential interviews so they can weed out people like you. I know a lot of good guys who were hired at the big A but I also know a lot of tools. Its about a 50/50 split. I don't know any tools at SWA.......yet.