spiffomatic
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Ty,
Fine. Raise everyone's pay. That's great and I agree we could all head that direction. That's not my point though, and it's a different issue all together. There's an economics term called ceteris paribus - meaning "all other things being equal". I'm saying that taking the issue of pay distribution only (all other things being equal) and killing the idea of probationary first year pay would enable us to treat each other a lot more like the professionals we are, and make dealing with an adverse company situation much more viable.
What do you think the outside world thinks of professional pilots when they hear we often make (amongst other miserable pay) something in the range of $20-$30k first year. That's pretty embarassing, and I don't think it does our reputation any good. And it probably turns away a lot of otherwise good people. If a company balks at it and says they have to recoup training costs, maybe tie much stronger first year pay to a first year pro-rated training contract. Maybe not - but one way or another, fix first year pay, and maybe we begin to dig ourselves out of this post-deregulation hole we're all in.
The irony of this first year pay problem is that if a company stagnates (doesn't hire for over a year), first year pay becomes a moot point and doesn't affect the company or the pilot group since noone's even on it. In that case, you could probably make the argument that raising that payrate should affect other pay even less. But when hiring kicks in, I think it places that pilot group at an advantage.
Maru, I don't even know what you're trying to say, but I'm not sure it has anything to do with anything.
Fine. Raise everyone's pay. That's great and I agree we could all head that direction. That's not my point though, and it's a different issue all together. There's an economics term called ceteris paribus - meaning "all other things being equal". I'm saying that taking the issue of pay distribution only (all other things being equal) and killing the idea of probationary first year pay would enable us to treat each other a lot more like the professionals we are, and make dealing with an adverse company situation much more viable.
What do you think the outside world thinks of professional pilots when they hear we often make (amongst other miserable pay) something in the range of $20-$30k first year. That's pretty embarassing, and I don't think it does our reputation any good. And it probably turns away a lot of otherwise good people. If a company balks at it and says they have to recoup training costs, maybe tie much stronger first year pay to a first year pro-rated training contract. Maybe not - but one way or another, fix first year pay, and maybe we begin to dig ourselves out of this post-deregulation hole we're all in.
The irony of this first year pay problem is that if a company stagnates (doesn't hire for over a year), first year pay becomes a moot point and doesn't affect the company or the pilot group since noone's even on it. In that case, you could probably make the argument that raising that payrate should affect other pay even less. But when hiring kicks in, I think it places that pilot group at an advantage.
Maru, I don't even know what you're trying to say, but I'm not sure it has anything to do with anything.
