So, how big was Song's er..Delta's loss this time?

[Full of LUV]

What do you expect them to say, that the airline will suck??? CEOs and VPs are payed to keep the panic low so you worker bees don't start whining. Leo Mullin was an expert at it no matter how bad it was, it wasn't that bad...as long as the golden parachute is still there, we will be allright. Just lie to these people long enough for me to get my millions and leave. Naive of you to believe what yout MGMT tells you, don't you think? Especially since your MGMT has never left you out to dry. If you loose money, you lost money...that's all there's to it.

Your right, it's a horrible, despicable place to work and fly. Please do not apply, find a place where you can get "payed" correctly and that they do not "loose" money, and apply there! No puddle jumpers needed.

 

[Godfather]

General, you forgot to mention the Deisel 9-50s, Saabs and 60 more CRJs are being phased out after Labor Day. Talk about capacity reduction. Is this Dicky's answer to the LUV/AAI merger? This will be interesting to watch and see how this plays out and where the cuts will happen most. PNCL and Mesaba will lose out for sure.

 

[General Lee]

General, you forgot to mention the Deisel 9-50s, Saabs and 60 more CRJs are being phased out after Labor Day. Talk about capacity reduction. Is this Dicky's answer to the LUV/AAI merger? This will be interesting to watch and see how this plays out and where the cuts will happen most. PNCL and Mesaba will lose out for sure.

Incorrect. The news to dump the DC9s was old new, which stated 12-18 months for the parkings. That was just extended to 18 months for all of them. 6 were supposed to be parked this year, and that has now been cancelled by marketing, since they still need them. They will actually undergo C checks or D checks, instead of dumping them in the desert. The Saabs will be phased out, or given to USAir for LGA service until our LGA slot swap is approved by the GOVT (the major contention was SWA wanted DCA slots, and now they have them with Airtran). The RJs will be phased out, but mainly from Comair, which will be down to 44 total planes. Most of their flights are leaving CVG, a place SWA and Airtran haven't wanted to go to yet. The 8-10% Trans Atlantic reduction after Labor Day will occur for 3 months, which actually is normal at Delta. Every year since '96 I have seen this happen, a drawdown from the busy Summer and then less frequency per week to those destination (actually giving longer layovers, which can be nice), and at the same time giving DL time to put some of those planes through yearly MX. Wall Street sure liked the news, which lifted DL stock 97 cents yesterday. I can assure you that Delta will probably NOT draw down and ATL service when you waltz in there. But, you may win out on some of the routes, like Tunica and Branson, MO. Good for you.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[swaflyguy]

I guess the fact that Delta,s stock had tanked 30% in the last 90 days had nothing to do with it.... Keep sticking your head in the sand my friend!!!

 

[On Your Six]

I guess the fact that Delta,s stock had tanked 30% in the last 90 days had nothing to do with it.... Keep sticking your head in the sand my friend!!!

You should work at CNBC, cleaning toilets. Thanks Trish Regan!


OYS

 

[swaflyguy]

You should work at CNBC, cleaning toilets. Thanks Trish Regan!


OYS

OYS opens mouth and makes no sense at all. I'm just stating a fact. Why do you get so defensive? Are you that little that you can't have a discussion based on facts. Obviously not. Personally I could care less if delta loses or makes 10 billion dollars. As a matter of fact I hope you guys get a big fat contract because thats the only possible way anything or anyone from delta is going to have any effect on my Quality of life. Throwing around a playground insult is actually amusing. It tells me that your overmatched and thats the best you can do. Thanks for the laughs. Have a great day..

 

[Freebrd]

You should work at CNBC, cleaning toilets. Thanks Trish Regan!


OYS

This jerk w/ his comments, what a "looser" lol

 

[Rough67]

Incorrect. The news to dump the DC9s was old new, which stated 12-18 months for the parkings. That was just extended to 18 months for all of them. 6 were supposed to be parked this year, and that has now been cancelled by marketing, since they still need them.



Bye Bye---General Lee

This is a rumor I have heard also. I just learned that it is a false rumor, and the 50s will be parked, starting this summer as originally planned. (from a high up fellow)

Have a nice day.

 

[General Lee]

This is a rumor I have heard also. I just learned that it is a false rumor, and the 50s will be parked, starting this summer as originally planned. (from a high up fellow)

Have a nice day.

That's not what the President of Delta stated. Have fun with your high up fellow. My day is going great.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[General Lee]

OYS opens mouth and makes no sense at all. I'm just stating a fact. Why do you get so defensive? Are you that little that you can't have a discussion based on facts. Obviously not. Personally I could care less if delta loses or makes 10 billion dollars. As a matter of fact I hope you guys get a big fat contract because thats the only possible way anything or anyone from delta is going to have any effect on my Quality of life. Throwing around a playground insult is actually amusing. It tells me that your overmatched and thats the best you can do. Thanks for the laughs. Have a great day..

Gimmee a break. Higher oil has hurt almost all airline stocks, but the Japan stuff has hurt Delta more because it was more exposed to that particular problem. Everyone knew it was going to hurt Q1 financials. Q1 is always worse than Q2 and Q3, and then stock will climb back up, and then maybe come down again after Q4 results. It isn't that hard to understand. Airlines do better in the Spring and Summer. I thought OYS' slams were hillarious. And, he could have called you Bob Pisanni or someone else at CNBC that was uglier than Trish Regan. Start feeling better about your appearance now, Trish.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

The real pain for Delta is that the Japan pain will linger...for awhile.

The bookings are still horrible, even out into June and July. Nothing like operating a widebody to NRT with 60 people in the back.

This coincides with Southwest entering the Atlanta market, could be an interesting summer for Delta.

 

[On Your Six]

The real pain for Delta is that the Japan pain will linger...for awhile.

The bookings are still horrible, even out into June and July. Nothing like operating a widebody to NRT with 60 people in the back.

This coincides with Southwest entering the Atlanta market, could be an interesting summer for Delta.

How do you know that? And, any lost revenue is being made up by relief supplies being shipped over in the cargo bins. NRT is also a large connecting hub for DL, so passengers still transit through there on the way to Bangkok, Singapore, Busan, Guam, Etc. You knew that, right?


OYS

 

[twobits]

hmm... next time I go to Busan, I think I'll go on Korean.... next time to Guam on United (CM), and next time to Singapore on SQ. Not sure flying through NRT or HND is going to be competitive to these places long term for DL. Japan is in the Doldrums; just be glad Delta did not get that stake in JAL or the loss would have been close to catastrophic. On the flip side, ANA is doing well and capturing the available market share out of the country.

Didn't Delta shut the ANC operation because Cargo was not profitable enough? Even if you fly a half empty main deck on the 777, with a full cargo load from ATL-NRT, money is being lost.

If you think DL will post an overall profit this year, you are smoking the crack rock - ain't gonna happen. They dangle one or two good years every decade to keep employees coming back to work - and the rest of the time they are distributing the cash flow to management pensions, and cost savings initiative bonus's. For instance. The -9 will be gone by the end of the summer. A competitor, Republic, will fly more airplanes for Delta Connection (replacing DC-9's); meanwhile, a wholly owned subsidiary will lose jobs and tons of airplanes. How is that creating synergy? IT ISN'T!!! A lot of people here are looking through rose colored glasses on this message board. Two bases will be closed by the end of 2012 - an in order to close these bases with the politicians they made promises too, they have to be making a loss.

One good year of profits, and the rest of the time employees have to traffic drugs just to make it by. Pretty sad.

 

[redflyer65]

How do you know that? And, any lost revenue is being made up by relief supplies being shipped over in the cargo bins. NRT is also a large connecting hub for DL, so passengers still transit through there on the way to Bangkok, Singapore, Busan, Guam, Etc. You knew that, right?


OYS

Dude, I know because I've seen the numbers, and it's ugly.

You can 'transition' 60 people through NRT and your not going to make dick, but you knew that, right?

 

[General Lee]

hmm... next time I go to Busan, I think I'll go on Korean.... next time to Guam on United (CM), and next time to Singapore on SQ. Not sure flying through NRT or HND is going to be competitive to these places long term for DL. Japan is in the Doldrums; just be glad Delta did not get that stake in JAL or the loss would have been close to catastrophic. On the flip side, ANA is doing well and capturing the available market share out of the country.

Didn't Delta shut the ANC operation because Cargo was not profitable enough? Even if you fly a half empty main deck on the 777, with a full cargo load from ATL-NRT, money is being lost.

If you think DL will post an overall profit this year, you are smoking the crack rock - ain't gonna happen. They dangle one or two good years every decade to keep employees coming back to work - and the rest of the time they are distributing the cash flow to management pensions, and cost savings initiative bonus's. For instance. The -9 will be gone by the end of the summer. A competitor, Republic, will fly more airplanes for Delta Connection (replacing DC-9's); meanwhile, a wholly owned subsidiary will lose jobs and tons of airplanes. How is that creating synergy? IT ISN'T!!! A lot of people here are looking through rose colored glasses on this message board. Two bases will be closed by the end of 2012 - an in order to close these bases with the politicians they made promises too, they have to be making a loss.

One good year of profits, and the rest of the time employees have to traffic drugs just to make it by. Pretty sad.

Talk about smoking the "ROCK", you need a drug test soon. I am glad you will be flying Korean to Busan. They are a SkyTeam member, you know. Actually, you can't, because flights to Busan on Korean are from the downtown Seoul airport Gimpo, vs Incheon their INTL base. Much faster to do it through NRT on DL. You would have to fly to ICN on KE, and then take a bus to Gimpo. You probably would look cooler on a bus anyway, and not an Airbus.

I am glad DL didn't invest in JAL. They and ANA are really getting weaker, because all of their operation is affected. Not the case with DL. And DL did close the ANC base, but not due to cargo yeilds. The planes flying the cargo were too expensive to keep fixing, they were old---747-200s. Since DL got rid of their 742s, Kallitta may have taken a few, but mainly as spares for their own aging 742 fleet. They, along with World Airways, and soon Southern Air, have decided to get 744Fs, since they are more fuel efficient. DL decided to keep the NWA 744s for pax ops. Now, without the mx expense of the ex-NWA 742s, DL can carry belly cargo and make more of a profit. With pax loads being lighter to NRT since the earthquake, that has allowed for more cargo no doubt, and Japan needs the cargo coming in.

Delta had a similar bad quarter in 2010, and pulled out a large profit for Q2 and Q3 that gave a yearly profit of over $586 million. There was $330 million handed out to employees alone in profit sharing. Q2 has already been very strong, and Summer will even be better. That will carry DL through with a profit for the year, even if Q4 is slower. Add to that proactive route planning and not going daily on unprofitable routes after Labor Day, all of that can only help achieve that goal. Delta is also hedged better than most, and fuel hikes have actually stuck, keeping up with higher oil. This is stuff even you can't refute. You can try, but you won't be able to. Will 2 bases be closed next year? If so, those planes would go to build up other bases. There are only so many 70/76 seat RJs allowed, and we all assume Delta will go to that max number. Why wouldn't they? But, you can't replace the exiting 50 seaters one for one with 70/76 seaters. You just can't, and 50s are bailing at a fast rate.

Republic is adding 6 E170s, probably for the LGA slot swap. It isn't official yet, but most are thinking that way, since the hold up was SWA asking for DCA slots, and now with Airtran has them. If the deal does go through, those slots from LGA are "regional" slots, to places like Elmira and Ithaca. That is why Delta would need them, not to really to replace any more mainline flying, because those slots necessitate RJs. LGA would grow though, and an extra terminal next to terminal 1. That means some extra mainline flying may arise, and maybe Dc9s could do some of the thinner routes.

As far as drug trafficing, I read the article but know nothing about it. I am glad NO OTHER AIRLINE has ever had that problem. Well, excpet your own problem that you need to deal with yourself. Maybe you and Lindsey Lohan can get help at Promises.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Dude, I know because I've seen the numbers, and it's ugly.

You can 'transition' 60 people through NRT and your not going to make dick, but you knew that, right?

You are talking about the Haneda flights. Yes, they were bad initially, since the routes started in Feburary and the earthquake happened in early March. Delta proactively stopped flying there, and stated they would reopen the flights in June, from LAX and DTW. They also will put 777s on the route, not 744s as originally thought, which will help with gas if the loads continue to be light. The NRT flying is coming back, mostly because of connecting traffic to China, Singapore, etc. The load numbers, according to the conference call are getting better, but you of course think they are lying, in public, to analysts. Heck, you know better, you are a Southwest pilot who tracks loads to Japan. And I thought I had a weird hobby of typing a lot on FI????


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

I've seen the daily loads. Believe whatever you want General. I unequivocally tell you it's bad. Look it up yourself. Compared to the typical summer loads that are booked in by this time, it's way off. Good luck with that.

Like tomorrow, DTW-NRT booked 153 out of 393 seats. Ouch.

And it's called research General, something you usually just gloss over with spin.

 

[puddlejumper101]

Your right, it's a horrible, despicable place to work and fly. Please do not apply, find a place where you can get "payed" correctly and that they do not "loose" money, and apply there! No puddle jumpers needed.

That might be a problem since you and I fly for the same airline genious. I was talking about DL, not LUV.

 

[Muskycat]

The real pain for Delta is that the Japan pain will linger...for awhile.

The bookings are still horrible, even out into June and July. Nothing like operating a widebody to NRT with 60 people in the back.

This coincides with Southwest entering the Atlanta market, could be an interesting summer for Delta.

The money in NRT market is not the people but the cargo.

 

[General Lee]

I've seen the daily loads. Believe whatever you want General. I unequivocally tell you it's bad. Look it up yourself. Compared to the typical summer loads that are booked in by this time, it's way off. Good luck with that.

Like tomorrow, DTW-NRT booked 153 out of 393 seats. Ouch.

And it's called research General, something you usually just gloss over with spin.

How many business people? If that is true, there is a lot more room for cargo, AND---it is between Spring Break and Summer. Would you say end of April and early May is always packed? I just checked your AMA to ELP flight tomorrow, and it has 6 total people, 4 of which are going onto SAN, and one of those is going onto SJC. That's sad. You're probably driving it too. That's even worse.

BTW, good try at trying to divert attention away from arbitration. YOUR SLI WILL BE ARBITRATED. You can't escape it, or AMA.


Bye Bye---General Lee