So does CAL take orders from the FAA on when to cancel flights?

[gkrangers]

Or is that just the CSR company line?

I love the "air traffic control" delays....

An ATC delay would be the controllers getting locked out of the tower....

 

[scoreboard]

?.....

 

[gkrangers]

?.....

I had to change a flight today because of the storm. The CSR wouldn't give me a refund (just a credit, which is no big deal, I'll use it..) because the "FAA ordered CAL to cancel the flights"...

I just thought that sounded a bit out there.

 

[MJG]

So does CAL take orders from the FAA when to cancel flights ?

In one word: YES

Feds usually tell CAL what the new arrival rate for EWR will be between such and such hours due to weather, VIP movement, etc. New hourly arrival rate is far below what CAL has already scheduled. CAL must then meet the new hourly arrival rate number by cancelling flights of their choosing. If you are on one of the flights they choose to cancel, well you're just plain out of luck. Lovely system we have these days. And this happens pretty much on a daily basis now at EWR.

So when the CSR tells you that "the FAA made CAL cancel the flight", they are being honest.

My only advice I can give you is to avoid all of the NYC area airports at all costs these days.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Rumor has it the FAA decertified CAL's Operation Snow Flake our EWR primary and secondary deice program. If that is true the FAA basically ordered CAL to cancel all of it's EWR flights.

 

[gkrangers]

In one word: YES

Feds usually tell CAL what the new arrival rate for EWR will be between such and such hours due to weather, VIP movement, etc. New hourly arrival rate is far below what CAL has already scheduled. CAL must then meet the new hourly arrival rate number by cancelling flights of their choosing. If you are on one of the flights they choose to cancel, well you're just plain out of luck. Lovely system we have these days. And this happens pretty much on a daily basis now at EWR.

So when the CSR tells you that "the FAA made CAL cancel the flight", they are being honest.

My only advice I can give you is to avoid all of the NYC area airports at all costs these days.

Does CAL *have* to cancel the flights, or just risk them sitting on the ramp when there isn't a slot for them to depart, in which case they may as well cancel them?

 

[gkrangers]

Rumor has it the FAA decertified CAL's Operation Snow Flake our EWR primary and secondary deice program. If that is true the FAA basically ordered CAL to cancel all of it's EWR flights.

I don't want to look like an ass, but, seriously?

 

[Cobra]

I don't want to look like an ass, but, seriously?

Yeah seriously, and where is this level playing field in regards to the "open skies initiative?"

 

[gkrangers]

Yeah seriously, and where is this level playing field in regards to the "open skies initiative?"

We need the "Open Ground Initiative". Need more runways. Thats the bottleneck...

 

[CAL EWR B737]

I don't want to look like an ass, but, seriously?

Yes seriously.