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HWKRCAP

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For anyone interested in the SOCAL area. Clay Lacy aviation out of VNY is lookin for Lear captains and FO's. A buddy of mine just got a call from the Chief Pilot. I don't know all the details, but he said everything sounded pretty good. He had just faxed a resume a few weeks ago. Their website is claylacy.com
Good Luck
HWKRCAP
 
Thanks HWKRCAP for the notice. However, with all the pilots on the street (especially in SOCAL), there is a reason that Lacy is always looking.

Lacy is a great place for a low time pilot to get some time and move on, but it is not a place for a career. I understand that pilots will rotate answering the "on call" phone at night and dispatch trips. The pay is substandard and the aircraft are old and tired. This is why once a Lacy pilot gets his/her time competitive, they can't get out of there fast enough. Even the "shady" operators in SOCAL fly newer aircraft and pay pilots more of a living wage.

Of course, don't plan on going to a 121 carrier from Lacy..........and we don't need to get into that discussion again!!
 
I currently work for Lacy's. It is true that we are lookng fo pilots. It is a tough job in the Lears. We average 65-85 flying hours a month. Pay is mid 30's-40's for Lear FO's. Captains average 65-85k/yr. Pilots do not have to answer phones or dispatch flights. We are not hiring because of attrition, Lear guys are moving into the Gulfstreams and Hawkers. Be sure if you apply your scan and instrment skils are sharp because you will either fly with Clay or the Chief Pilot in a Lear as part of the interview.
Good Luck
 
LRplt said:
I currently work for Lacy's. It is true that we are lookng fo pilots. It is a tough job in the Lears. We average 65-85 flying hours a month. Pay is mid 30's-40's for Lear FO's. Captains average 65-85k/yr. Pilots do not have to answer phones or dispatch flights. We are not hiring because of attrition, Lear guys are moving into the Gulfstreams and Hawkers. Be sure if you apply your scan and instrment skils are sharp because you will either fly with Clay or the Chief Pilot in a Lear as part of the interview.
Good Luck

So I guess if what you say is true... then Clay Lacy must be buying or adding alot of Gulfstreams and Hawkers to their fleet.

Thats odd... because I heard that the Lear guys were moving to the Gulfstreams and Hawkers because several of those guys have left for better paying jobs with better quality of life.

I believe that is known as "attrition".
 
Sorry to burst your bubble. We have received numerous aircraft over the past year that we manage and crew. Very little attrition.
 
Angus said:
So I guess if what you say is true... then Clay Lacy must be buying or adding alot of Gulfstreams and Hawkers to their fleet.

Only one Hawker addition. Word is on the street that a few G-spots will be leaving in the near future.
 
LRplt said:
Sorry to burst your bubble. We have received numerous aircraft over the past year that we manage and crew. Very little attrition.

New Years is over, so no bubbles to burst on my end. The only thing bursting is the reality of the facts regarding your post.

The thread was regarding CURRENT hiring at Clay Lacy. Your post(s) said there was no hiring due to "attrition", and that hiring was due to "Lear guys moving into Gulfstreams and Hawkers".

Then you follow up with the fact that there is "little attrition" (implying that there is in fact some attrition), and that aircraft were added over the "past year"... (hence the PAST year, not present).

So I say again, (without any bubbles)....... the hiring RIGHT NOW is due to attrition in the larger equipment, and this attrition is due in part to the poor pay and Q.O.L., and some of the experienced Pilots move on... as quick as possible.
 
Angus,

I wouldn't spend too much time trying to educate LRplt. He is in his own little world over at Lacy with the mentality that your "stuff" doesn't stink along with being God's Gift to Aviation.

Most corporate aviators just brush them aside like a little knat and let them be in their bubble.

Sorry LRplt, the truth hurts.........well, maybe not as much as jumping on a bicycle with a seat missing, but it hurts!
 
Angus,
I don't know where you get your info. We have had no attrition in the large a/c, we need to crew the new ones coming on.
Upgrades are performance and ability based. It can vary greatly.
Fly Safe
 
PseudoName said:
I wouldn't spend too much time trying to educate LRplt. He is in his own little world over at Lacy with the mentality that your "stuff" doesn't stink along with being God's Gift to Aviation.

Hey Psuedoname, I'm going to have to take great exception to your phoney air of superiority. Where in his post does LRpilot make any assertions concerning the superiority of his employer or his flying skill? He does not. Which means your unpleasant rebuke most likely means:

  • You didn't get hired at CLA, ergo they and anyone associated with them must suck. (It certainly couldn't be you, could it?)
  • Somebody you know had a bad experience with Clay, so now you feel compelled to spread the gospel and piss on a thread where some folks were simply trying to help out their peers with some timely job info.

Either way you sound like an insecure sociopath. I've shared a cockpit with the gentleman you insulted on many occasions at a previous employer, and found him to be humble and un-assuming, but most importantly, hands-down one of the best three stick and rudder guys I've ever flown with in my life. Now, given the truth, which scenario is more likely?

  1. LRpilot is lying about the reason behind the hiring, as his inflated ego with no skills to back it up couldn't possibly stand that anybody knows...the horrible truth!
  2. Lrpilot is telling the truth, even remaining above the fray when insulted by some poster with an obvious smear aggenda against anything Clay Lacy.
HHHMMMM, I vote for #2.

For those of you interested in applying, I've also had the pleasure of flying with Clay, I thought he was great guy with a worthwile organization. Not going to work for him was a difficult descision. Definetely one of the better 135 operators out there. I'l second what LRpilot says though, if you interview you'd better be able to bring the flying skills and SA.
 
LJDRVR

You seem to have a little too much time on your hands with all these post, lots open time in IAH you should be picking up. :)

I am heading to IAH in June, got to get back west, see you arround.

Semper Fi
 
Dave!

Heck yea, I traded out my entire January line for more productive trips! (Leave late and get back early.) Bumped up the value to 96 hours in the process. (I'm hoping to afford some chewing gum as a birthday present to myself next month...)

Flightinfo is my one vice. (Wife avoidance tool.) Drop me a line when you get IAH, I'll buy you a beer. Hope Newark is treating you well in the meantime. (The commute must suck.)

Take Care
 
LJDRVR said:
For those of you interested in applying, I've also had the pleasure of flying with Clay, I thought he was great guy with a worthwile organization. Not going to work for him was a difficult descision. Definetely one of the better 135 operators out there. I'l second what LRpilot says though, if you interview you'd better be able to bring the flying skills and SA.

Three quick questions:

1. What is YOUR opinion on union members who cross picket lines?

2. Your opinion on 135 Operators is based on working for exactly how many TOTAL DIFFERENT 135 Operators.

3. Are you aware of any FAR's not adhered to by the Clay Lacy owner that you speak of while flying.... at any time?

These are the REAL relevant questions for this thread.
 
Angus, the relevant question for this thread is why is it, whenever somebody tries to help their peers out on this board, some self-interested hack with an emotional axe to grind feels compelled to warn everybody what a horrible place ol' so-and-so is to work?

Against my better judgement, here's the answer to your questions:

1. SCABS. Thing is, we're not talking about labor relations here, we're talking about SOCAL job opportunities for folks with some Lear experience. When you're a line pilot and an ALPA or in-house union member, then you may lecture me about what sort of opinions I should hold on these matters. As for Clay Lacy, I still think he was a great guy. My personal opinions have nothing to do with the reality of what he chose to do in 1985.

2. Worked for two fairly large ones as both a pilot and management over a seven year period. If that's not enough for you, as a safety consultant I've audited an additional eight for various clients. Gosh, I sure hope I meet your exacting standards for being allowed to have my own opinion.

3. Stop the press! An owner-pilot did something illegal/unsafe? Not while I was in the jet. If you have specific knowledge of unsafe acts being commited, you have several options:

  • Have the balls to confront the individual.
  • Report the individual to the FAA and their insurance carrier.
  • Shut up and live with it.
  • Make vague insinuations on an anonymous bulletin board that contribute nothing to flight safety.
Looks like you chose number four. Pretty lame. Now that I've answered all you questions, here's one for you:

What's your axe to grind? Why have you got it figured out so much better than all those poor, unfortunate suckers working for CLA?

You're most certainly entitled to your opinion here, but you should back it up with something more concrete than vague mud-slinging and personal attacks directed at some guy who was just trying to be useful.
 
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LJDRVR,

If you have so much respect for Lacy and his organization, then why did you leave and take a pay cut to become just another number?
 
I never worked there. I interviewed and decided against moving my family to Southern California. I left another large 135 operator to take a pay cut and become "just another number."

Truthfully, it's been worth every penny. I have real control over my schedule now, something I never did in the 135 world. The safety culture is much better, and I sleep during normal sleeping hours and fly during the day.

While I may be just another number, don't knock it till you've tried it. Besides we'ere ALL meat in the seat.
 
Just bumped into someone at the hotel from Van Nuys. He said they have hired with as low as 1000 total time.
Good Luck
 
HWKRCAP said:
Just bumped into someone at the hotel from Van Nuys. He said they have hired with as low as 1000 total time.
Good Luck

Wow...... 1000's of Pilots furloughed and Clay Lacy is hiring Pilots with "as low as 1000 hours"?!?! I wonder why....:rolleyes:

As far as LJDRVR and his incredibly "partial" comments.... you can argue with semantics all you want... but this thread is about employment at a particular company (Clay Lacy)..... and it is VERY prudent to examine the reality and history of the company, and its owner, rather than play "good buddy" to the owner as LJDRVR has chosen to do.

Every Pilot out there should thoroughly consider and reconsider working for any company whose owner has the history, reputation, and mentality that this owner has.

That reputation is "Anything goes......as long as I get mine".
 
Angus said:
Wow...... 1000's of Pilots furloughed and Clay Lacy is hiring Pilots with "as low as 1000 hours"?!?! I wonder why....:rolleyes:

As far as LJDRVR and his incredibly "partial" comments.... you can argue with semantics all you want... but this thread is about employment at a particular company (Clay Lacy)..... and it is VERY prudent to examine the reality and history of the company, and its owner, rather than play "good buddy" to the owner as LJDRVR has chosen to do.

Every Pilot out there should thoroughly consider and reconsider working for any company whose owner has the history, reputation, and mentality that this owner has.

That reputation is "Anything goes......as long as I get mine".
As I crawled off your mom and threw twenty bucks on the dresser, she said..."
 
FN FAL said:
As I crawled off your mom and threw twenty bucks on the dresser, she said..."

Who would have ever thought that a union Pilot could scab at an airline, then start a low budget PFT 135 operation, offer low ball scum wages, and profit from the willingness of others to lower themselves for anothers glutton selfeshness, and then be defended by the likes of YOU!

Let me guess, you must be a either a scab brother, or a scab lover to defend this type of man or this type of operation!

Well good riddance to you as well FN FAL.... defender of what is wrong with this country!!
 
Angus said:
Who would have ever thought that a union Pilot could scab at an airline, then start a low budget PFT 135 operation, offer low ball scum wages, and profit from the willingness of others to lower themselves for anothers glutton selfeshness, and then be defended by the likes of YOU!

Let me guess, you must be a either a scab brother, or a scab lover to defend this type of man or this type of operation!

Well good riddance to you as well FN FAL.... defender of what is wrong with this country!!
Free enterprise is what is wrong with this country? O.K...you win.
 
Angus,
I don't mean to stoop to your level but 75k that I made as a first year Lear Captain is hardly low scumball wages. I would guess with your 1700 hours you must be making in the ballpark of 150k/yr?
Fly Safe
 
LJDRVR said:
...Now that I've answered all you questions, here's one for you:

What's your axe to grind? Why have you got it figured out so much better than all those poor, unfortunate suckers working for CLA?

You're most certainly entitled to your opinion here, but you should back it up with something more concrete than vague mud-slinging and personal attacks directed at some guy who was just trying to be useful.

Still waiting for some intelligent discourse...[crickets chirping...]
 
LRplt said:
Angus,
I don't mean to stoop to your level but 75k that I made as a first year Lear Captain is hardly low scumball wages.
You stooped to a low level when you work for a company that is owned by a Airline scab.

As far as your absurd claim about making $75,000 as a first year Lear Captain at Clay Lacy.... I about fell out of my chair. Before I typed this response, I decided to make a quick phone call to someone who knows the current salaries paid at that scab company. That person about fell out of their chair laughing at your post. Sure enough, there are Pilots at Clay Lacy that make $75,000 a year and even more.... but not you, nor a "first year Lear Captain". I guess you are the type who along with salary, embellishes size as well.

LRplt said:
I would guess with your 1700 hours you must be making in the ballpark of 150k/yr?
Fly Safe

Well, in order to be completely factual, I looked at my last paystub for 2004. You are wrong again.... I did not make $150,000 as you "guessed", I only made a a mere $118,000 in 2004, but that still beats the $60,000 that a typical Lear Captain at Clay Lacy makes. I also didn't line the pockets of a scab while doing it, nor did I PFT by paying for my type rating at Clay Lacy like some new hires have.

Glad that I'm here to keep this Clay Lacy topic factual... because you all sure don't speak the truth.
 
Angus,
I am so glad you don't fly for us! Good Luck with all your future endeavors.
The information I have posted is factual. Contrary to what Angus says, it is a great place to work.
Good luck to all that apply, hope to see you on the line soon.
Take care and fly safe.
 
LRplt said:
Angus,
I am so glad you don't fly for us! Good Luck with all your future endeavors.
The information I have posted is factual. Contrary to what Angus says, it is a great place to work.
Good luck to all that apply, hope to see you on the line soon.
Take care and fly safe.

Okay you win. I will now point out all the Unfactual information that I have passed along:

1. Clay Lacy is not owned and run by an Airline Scab.

2. Clay Lacy is not PFT and Pilots have not in the past been expected to pay for their type ratings.

3. First Officers on the Lears do not start at $25,000 - $30,000

4. Captains on the Lear do not start at $45,000 - $60,000

5. Schedules and work rules are not boot camp oriented

6. Pilots at Clay Lacy do not work 21+ days a month

7. Clay Lacy is not that SoCal operator that many Pilots disrespect and will not work for.

Glad we cleared that up...:rolleyes:
 

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