Small Town Hawker Driver Pay

[speedwings]

I am lucky enough to say that I have kept my job throughout the last 3 years and my company has just told me that I will be considered a captain in the various Hawkers that I fly in the near future. I have a meeting with my manager in a few weeks to discuss salary and the additional paperwork it entails. I did a search on this board and didn't find any salary ranges for my situation so I need your help; so what is a realistic starting salary for this?

This would be my first ever upgrade to captain in anything turbine and I probably will be flying as co-captain for a few more months before flying with a green co-pilot or get rented out to another company to serve as PIC.

Here's the scenario:
- Very small town midwestern US.
- Small flight department with under 10 pilots and 5 airplanes.
- 80% Part 91, 20% Part 135 flying in 2 different Hawker models.
- I have 850 hours in the Hawker.
- I also fly as SIC part 91 in another type.

I am happy with my company so I want to hang around. This is a great opportunity for me - especially with my flight time. Any ideas on a base pay would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

[ruhroa]

Congratulations on the upgrade ....there are too many variabes involved... if it were me i would look at pro pilot survey from june (i think) then avcrew publishes a salary survey ....then take into consideration the availability will it be sheduled days off or on call etc..... then take into account benefit packets ......additionally if you come out of all that with the idea to look at salary bein offered elsewhere for example california ..if in cali you can get say 100k then put it into a city calculator and it will tell you what you have to make in your city to have that spending power........ good luck ......dont sell urself short ........... remember the old joke about the guy who says... what do you call a new doctor...........its doctor...........same as a new cpt it is cpt.................. look for ballpark in a small city ......around 70k............dont forget if the a/c goes away or the owner does you will have to move ...hope this helps

 

[Flyjets]

Looking at the 2002 report for your situation (best I can tell), the average salary was around $60k as a Capt. Hope this helps.

 

[banned username 2]

What is your current salary? That will give us an idea of your companies pay scale.

 

[speedwings]

$37,000 as an FO. Not great at all and I'll be the first to admit it, but I am employed which is more than I can say for my other pilot friends except the ones flying for the bottom feeding regionals. But I didn't get much of a raise last year because of "very hard financial times for the company" (blah, blah, blah) and they promise to make it up to me (blah, blah, blah).

So, what do you think $55,000? More? Less?

Thanks for all the advice so far!

 

[j41driver]

Congratulations on the upgrade ....there are too many variabes involved... if it were me i would look at pro pilot survey from june (i think) then avcrew publishes a salary survey ....then take into consideration the availability will it be sheduled days off or on call etc..... then take into account benefit packets ......additionally if you come out of all that with the idea to look at salary bein offered elsewhere for example california ..if in cali you can get say 100k then put it into a city calculator and it will tell you what you have to make in your city to have that spending power........ good luck ......dont sell urself short ........... remember the old joke about the guy who says... what do you call a new doctor...........its doctor...........same as a new cpt it is cpt.................. look for ballpark in a small city ......around 70k............dont forget if the a/c goes away or the owner does you will have to move ...hope this helps

Did you really need over 100 periods in that post?

 

[banned username 2]

Did you really need over 100 periods in that post?

Holy crap... Are you THAT bored you counted them?

 

[banned username 2]

$37,000 as an FO. Not great at all and I'll be the first to admit it, but I am employed which is more than I can say for my other pilot friends except the ones flying for the bottom feeding regionals. But I didn't get much of a raise last year because of "very hard financial times for the company" (blah, blah, blah) and they promise to make it up to me (blah, blah, blah).

So, what do you think $55,000? More? Less?

Thanks for all the advice so far!

I would say $55,000 is probably all you are going to see out of that company as a new Captain. That would be an $18,000 raise... and unfortunately, that is how they are probably going to look at it... If they ask, I'd shoot for $65k... You can always come down if they fall off their chair, but if you shoot too low and they grab it, you screwed yourself.

Good luck and let us know how you did, I'm curious to see how it goes.

 

[Heavy Set]

I say show them the Pro Pilot survey first - look for the average. If you don't think that will work, ask for at least $5K MORE than you think you will get. You might be surprised - it has worked for me and it is a great feeling.... Obviously there are many variables involved - you might already have an established salary range.

Don't be afraid to ask for more than you expect.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Absolutley ask for a high number.

99% of pilots dont, they are TOO afraid of not getting the job. Halfway decent employers will respect someone who thinks they are worth MORE than the "average".

I would want someone more than "average" to fly me around....

If anything they will be impressed and then tell you what they can pay...and you go from there..

remember, salaries are ALWAYS negotiable. (learned that the hard way!)...

GOOD LUCK

 

[speedwings]

Thanks for the info guys! My meeting is in 9 days... I'll let you know what I get!

 

[Answerguy]

For hawker 800 and 800xp's at least 65-75.