Imissmypilot
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I took Texas' advice... technically before he gave it but its great advice and it's a large part of why I've backed down off my wall.
I think we all need to take a step back and realize (before we go spouting how bad the union screwed us) the union was obligated to protect the transfers seniority position at Options every bit as much as the seniority position of the furloughs. And they have on both counts. Because of the contract. In a way it should make us all really grateful they did the unpopular thing because it was the right thing.
It also goes to the JH firing. Sure, most of us didn't like what he did but he shouldn't have been fired for it, let alone the way he was fired. The union isn't supporting $100 dinners, they are supporting our rights not to be arbitrarily fired for non-defined guidelines, especially without due process and certainly not in an email.
Just like how they handled the citation air deal so this sli thing plays out with the transfers. It's unpopular but ethically correct. As pilots protected by the CBA, whether they are MIGS or not they get the protections. It's what is ethical. However, because of the high emotions that naturally come into play, management can take advantage and change history making ethics look like a screw job. Let's not let them do it again.
Regarding the furloughees, I feel your pain but your problem should be with the management that operated so poorly you were required to be furloughed, not the union who protected your right to come back. Longevity should have been considered because this union is now covers Flex pilots too. They can't pick and choose you just because you have been a part of it longer. They are ethically required to serve both groups equally now. What they did in sli was fair, equitable and legally correct considering all these factors.
By the way, Ricci's plan, already laid out on the table and activated, was to staple Options to the bottom and ignore seniority anyway. Remember that. In light of this fact, every single pilot of this new onesky list is a winner.
I really wish the union would explain this better. Instead as usual it's radio silence. But the fact is the fact everyone is pissed (except the top 33) should have us realizing how badly we need a union and how grateful we should be to finally have it.
Reminder I got screwed in sli too. I'm not toting the union banner for any selfish purpose. This situation shows me how badly we need a union we can know in advance what they will because they have consistently chosen the ethical if even unpopular path.
Wow. They really do sound like a bunch of neanderthal thugs, don't they?
I think we all need to take a step back and realize (before we go spouting how bad the union screwed us) the union was obligated to protect the transfers seniority position at Options every bit as much as the seniority position of the furloughs. And they have on both counts. Because of the contract. In a way it should make us all really grateful they did the unpopular thing because it was the right thing.
It also goes to the JH firing. Sure, most of us didn't like what he did but he shouldn't have been fired for it, let alone the way he was fired. The union isn't supporting $100 dinners, they are supporting our rights not to be arbitrarily fired for non-defined guidelines, especially without due process and certainly not in an email.
Just like how they handled the citation air deal so this sli thing plays out with the transfers. It's unpopular but ethically correct. As pilots protected by the CBA, whether they are MIGS or not they get the protections. It's what is ethical. However, because of the high emotions that naturally come into play, management can take advantage and change history making ethics look like a screw job. Let's not let them do it again.
Regarding the furloughees, I feel your pain but your problem should be with the management that operated so poorly you were required to be furloughed, not the union who protected your right to come back. Longevity should have been considered because this union is now covers Flex pilots too. They can't pick and choose you just because you have been a part of it longer. They are ethically required to serve both groups equally now. What they did in sli was fair, equitable and legally correct considering all these factors.
By the way, Ricci's plan, already laid out on the table and activated, was to staple Options to the bottom and ignore seniority anyway. Remember that. In light of this fact, every single pilot of this new onesky list is a winner.
I really wish the union would explain this better. Instead as usual it's radio silence. But the fact is the fact everyone is pissed (except the top 33) should have us realizing how badly we need a union and how grateful we should be to finally have it.
Reminder I got screwed in sli too. I'm not toting the union banner for any selfish purpose. This situation shows me how badly we need a union we can know in advance what they will because they have consistently chosen the ethical if even unpopular path.
Wow. They really do sound like a bunch of neanderthal thugs, don't they?
