SLC ASA pilots... tell us what Jerry has to say

[General Lee]

Hey Not my fault you picked wrong and will face more paycuts or a different line of work. Take your anger out on your dog stay outta here dweeb. Go back to YOUR ROOM ya troller, It's labeled MAJORS.

Come on now, FDJ2 is allowed here too. And, if you had the chance to get on with Delta in 1996-2000, are you saying you would have passed? No way, we were doing great, hiring a lot, and about to get the largest pay raise EVER. Our crappy management did the rest after 9-11. If you could have seen 9-11 happen before it did, why didn't you tell anyone?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Sig]

Ya know, the original post was worthless. My ex father in law, a 75 mech for you turds, is burnt. How burnt? He's 53, his wife (52) throws bags for AirTran in that catbox the locals call A T L to make ends meet, and I'd eat my hat before you wankers would toe any line you drew in the sand.

Delta strike? My arse.

 

[General Lee]

Strike issue? My right testicle. You'd sell your mother's mouthwash for a chance to keep your flying.

That's a cute way of saying, "Scope, schmope." It will be sold.

How are your mechs doing? Laughing, I'll bet. Delta strike? My arse.

Our Mechs didn't have a union, kinda like SkyWest. (You really don't know much about Delta and the LACK of unions or contracts--for Mechs and stews) And what would we sell our scope for? That's all we have left, and WE KNOW IT. You sound like you don't know what is going on. Figures.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[OARfan]

General, misery loves company and I can't bitch too much to someone who has taken 47%, but I bring in 2k per month on reserve and JA wants 8% of that? What an insult. He can keep his quarterly bonuses and shove it up his a$$. I couldn't help but sense a little arrogance over your post about keeping ASA from getting 900's. In today's industry, majority at DL will vote yes because they have families and 100k per year is still better than most jobs. I wish you guys would strike, keep what little you have left. Many of us didn't get into flying to stop at the regionals. Wish you the best of luck, but I don't think you can stop it. Heck, a lot of the kids getting into the regionals have a little hard-on over flying 100 seaters for an extra $10 an hour. It's the wave of the future....wave of the future.....wave of the future.....annnnnddd I'm getting another beer. seeya bye

 

[Sig]

Our Mechs didn't have a union, kinda like SkyWest. (You really don't know much about Delta and the LACK of unions or contracts--for Mechs and stews) And what would we sell our scope for? That's all we have left, and WE KNOW IT. You sound like you don't know what is going on. Figures.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Suck it, general, I sure as he!! understand. Your condescension is typical. You'd sell your scope for pennies. Why? As long as a tall drink of water in a filthy glass gets to play FO on a heavy- who cares about scope? Right?

Figure this: You'll either sell your scope or get burned. I'd personally LOVE to watch you** burn. It won't happen; you'll fold faster than a bluffed cokehead in Vegas, and I'll watch your sanctimonious arse claim you saw it coming. You'll have told me so somewhere, what with your amazing prescience and guilt-free entitlement.

So it's okay to have an entire pension sharted out the door, since you can blame them for not organizing? What line do you walk, Genital Lee? Is it pathetic mismanagement, or the labor's fault? Are YOU the problem too?

I'd give another 2% to hear about some heretofore unseen hot wife toss a single bag in a 717. Figures.

Burn, marthafocker, burn.

**This is directly at you, GL. You sicken me; you always have. You used the term "Stews." If that doesn't illustrate why I'd like you to hang in the breeze, nothing does. I get fired up about Delta; I watched a great man's career get flushed. You're answer? I'm a moron, they didn't organize, they're fools along with the "stews", but hey! We're gonna come out AHEAD! Go Delta!

Swine.

 

[General Lee]

General, misery loves company and I can't bitch too much to someone who has taken 47%, but I bring in 2k per month on reserve and JA wants 8% of that? What an insult. He can keep his quarterly bonuses and shove it up his a$$. I couldn't help but sense a little arrogance over your post about keeping ASA from getting 900's. In today's industry, majority at DL will vote yes because they have families and 100k per year is still better than most jobs. I wish you guys would strike, keep what little you have left. Many of us didn't get into flying to stop at the regionals. Wish you the best of luck, but I don't think you can stop it. Heck, a lot of the kids getting into the regionals have a little hard-on over flying 100 seaters for an extra $10 an hour. It's the wave of the future....wave of the future.....wave of the future.....annnnnddd I'm getting another beer. seeya bye

Wrong. Allowing larger planes will only worsen our situation here. You can bet more than 50% will vote NO to any TA allowing larger planes.(probably closer to 80-85%) That is the way it is, and our huge 58% pass vote for the last give away shows management and ALPA that we are mostly ready to vote NO on any more give ups. Look at NW----they loved touting NEWCO, yet they supposedly agreed over 36 70 seaters and options for more, and they supposedly will allow furloughed pilots to go to the left seat of any new 70 seaters. We have offered more 70 seaters to DCI to replace some 50 seaters, and that will be about it. That is the wave of the future.... Apply to CAL if you don't like it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Suck it, general, I sure as he!! understand. Your condescension is typical. You'd sell your scope for pennies. Why? As long as a tall drink of water in a filthy glass gets to play FO on a heavy- who cares about scope? Right?

Figure this: You'll either sell your scope or get burned. I'd personally LOVE to watch you** burn. It won't happen; you'll fold faster than a bluffed cokehead in Vegas, and I'll watch your sanctimonious arse claim you saw it coming. You'll have told me so somewhere, what with your amazing prescience and guilt-free entitlement.

So it's okay to have an entire pension sharted out the door, since you can blame them for not organizing? What line do you walk, Genital Lee? Is it pathetic mismanagement, or the labor's fault? Are YOU the problem too?

I'd give another 2% to hear about some heretofore unseen hot wife toss a single bag in a 717. Figures.

Burn, marthafocker, burn.

**This is directly at you, GL. You sicken me; you always have. You used the term "Stews." If that doesn't illustrate why I'd like you to hang in the breeze, nothing does. I get fired up about Delta; I watched a great man's career get flushed. You're answer? I'm a moron, they didn't organize, they're fools along with the "stews", but hey! We're gonna come out AHEAD! Go Delta!

Swine.

You make absolutely no sense. None. More than the bottom half worry about giving up scope. All it takes is 51%, and we easily have that. The guys that just upgraded to larger planes were in the smaller planes thinking about scope less than 2 years ago (before 2300 retired). Do you really think they have forgotten? How about another one of your stupid "Tall glass of fart juice" sayings again?---I loving laughing at them.

All I can do is vote myself and know that I don't approve of something like giving up scope, and most of the pilots I come into contact with at the crew lounges agree. You really don't know what is being said, and you really have no clue.

Do I think it is right to dump the pensions you ask? No. But do you think we will be able to pay back the $10.6 BILLION we owe? You do? If we know that won't be possible, then the next best thing we can do is try to get credit for the yearly savings off of our backs. That is what we are attempting. Is it our fault that the pensions will be dumped? How about the employees from GM and Verizon? Is it their fault too? I won't be hurt too bad, since I am 40, and I have time to make it up with larger contributions to my 401K--United is getting the equivalent of 15% of their monthly pay checks towards their 401K--in their own names. We will likely get the same.

I love this quote from you "I'd give another 2% to hear about some heretofore unseen hot wife toss a single bag in a 717. Figures." What the heck did that mean? Really, you need to lay off the booze.

Yeah, I use the term "stews"---I dated a few in college, and they LOVED it. They were "Sexy Stews", too. (ever seen Austin Powers? That line came from that movie---you really need to rent it) I don't get too upset when they make crude names for pilots. I really don't cry.

And really, it would have been better for our stews and mechs to have gotten unions. They would have still had a fight left. Instead, they were handed their fate.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[C-DALE DRVR]

No, But there will be 69 planes' worth of flying to be had. Im guesing with planes owned by SKYW, MESA, or CHQ. I also think CO would prefer this so they would have the palnes leases paid for.

Who has 69 RJ"s laying around that they can just scramble and fly for CAL? Not only that but most of the planes are XR's and no one in the industry has 50 seat jets with that range except XJET. Don't even think for a minute that you will see 70 seaters flying in CAL hubs by non CAL pilots either.

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

Come on now, FDJ2 is allowed here too. And, if you had the chance to get on with Delta in 1996-2000, are you saying you would have passed? No way, we were doing great, hiring a lot, and about to get the largest pay raise EVER. Our crappy management did the rest after 9-11. If you could have seen 9-11 happen before it did, why didn't you tell anyone?


Bye Bye--General Lee

GL, Read his posts and you'll see I responded in kind to a stereotypical board trolling_________....whats the word.... well you fill it in or I'll get banned. He had no other reason here than to flame. Fine, As I always say; "Recieving Friendly Fire, Returning same" Except I think he's an a$$ and can sit and spin for all I care.

 

[ohplease!]

Who has 69 RJ"s laying around that they can just scramble and fly for CAL? Not only that but most of the planes are XR's and no one in the industry has 50 seat jets with that range except XJET. Don't even think for a minute that you will see 70 seaters flying in CAL hubs by non CAL pilots either.

sit back and watch. It's a done deal. Has been for a while. It won't take 69 70 seaters to replace them and the deal won't start for several months, plenty of time to build and deliver new planes to ASA/SKYW.

 

[boknowsASA]

Whats the range on those xr's? Just remember you have all of those "fly I" jets sitting down in Arizona on short call....

 

[ohplease!]

To all you Delta boys:

sit around and thump your chest all you want. You guy's will NEVER strike. Not for ANY reason. Not even over 70+ seat planes at ASA/SKYW. You're gonna get a little of your pat cut back and you're gonna give up scope. Thats it in a nut shell. I ain't gonna quote fancy numbers for ya' cause it doesn't matter. Just remember when it comes down, who told ya' about it first.

 

[nimtz]

sit back and watch. It's a done deal. Has been for a while. It won't take 69 70 seaters to replace them and the deal won't start for several months, plenty of time to build and deliver new planes to ASA/SKYW.

Glad you are so cozy about putting several of XJT guys onto the street.

 

[michael707767]

In today's industry, majority at DL will vote yes because they have families and 100k per year is still better than most jobs.

under our current pay rates, only about half the pilots make over 100K. So if we were all making 100K I may agree with you.

The FOs will vote down any TA. And my guess is at least half the captains will vote down anything more than about a 5-7% pay cut(which is up from the 14% of the interim TA).

Scope.....all the FOs and 2/3s of the captains will vote no to anything larger than 70 seats at DCI.

I'm getting worried that no TA could pass a vote. I know I can't see anything they could agree to that I would vote yes on.

I don't want to strike. However I will. I have already lined up a non flying job and I am perfectly willing to leave this career forever and press on with a non flying career.

 

["GO AROUND"]

General, mike 707767,

Do you and your fellow DAL pilots have a contingency plan on getting out of Atlanta with your skin if you guys strike and shut the airline down. Seems you'd have a pretty angry mob of out of work DAL employees looking for a pound of flesh. Cause you know the majority of them don't support you guys shutting the place down and putting them on the street.

What would really suck is if this angry mob got a hold of names and addresses of all the DAL pilots, cause you know how hard that is in the internet age.

No flame here, just wondering.

 

[FDJ2]

Do you and your fellow DAL pilots have a contingency plan on getting out of Atlanta with your skin if you guys strike and shut the airline down. Seems you'd have a pretty angry mob of out of work DAL employees looking for a pound of flesh.

Doesn't bother me in the least. It's not even a topic of conversation that's considered.

 

[FDJ2]

Hey Not my fault you picked wrong and will face more paycuts or a different line of work. Take your anger out on your dog stay outta here dweeb. Go back to YOUR ROOM ya troller, It's labeled MAJORS.

WhataSmuck, did I hurt your little feelings?

 

[Blucher]

What?

GA,

Are you kidding? First off, there ain't a chance in he!! that Delta's going to strike. That's not to say I don't want them to. I think they've taken it as hard as anyone in the wrong hole, and it would be perfect if both Delta and NW went on strike at the same time. Over night the capacity in the US would reach an unworkable level and perhaps regular people would start paying attention and some of this BS would stop. Just maybe the average person would realize that it's airline management's combination of greed, incompetence and lack of accountabilty that's got us in this mess in the first place. I highly doubt the city of ATL would go on a rampage after all the Delta pilots. Keep in mind, we're talking about the South, there's no such thing as follow-through.

-Blucher

 

["GO AROUND"]

Stranger things have happened in this industry.

 

[General Lee]

General, mike 707767,

Do you and your fellow DAL pilots have a contingency plan on getting out of Atlanta with your skin if you guys strike and shut the airline down. Seems you'd have a pretty angry mob of out of work DAL employees looking for a pound of flesh. Cause you know the majority of them don't support you guys shutting the place down and putting them on the street.

What would really suck is if this angry mob got a hold of names and addresses of all the DAL pilots, cause you know how hard that is in the internet age.

No flame here, just wondering.

In my unmarked car......head West towards California.....

And, I would agree with Michael707---none of the FO's would vote for larger than 70 seaters, and atleast half of the Captains. (that equals 3/4's of the pilot group)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ohplease!]

Glad you are so cozy about putting several of XJT guys onto the street.

I never said I was cozy with it. I simply said it would happen. Don't believe it? just watch. I think its terrible for the guys at XJT. I would not want it to happen to me. However, look around. Its happening to EVERY regional group , ASA included in some form (the possible exception being MESA).

 

[ohplease!]

In my unmarked car......head West towards California.....

And, I would agree with Michael707---none of the FO's would vote for larger than 70 seaters, and atleast half of the Captains. (that equals 3/4's of the pilot group)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Bullsh!t...sounds good though.

 

[General Lee]

Bullsh!t...sounds good though.

You sound pretty confident of yourself. Does that not make sense? Oh, that's right, we are all wrapped up in our money. Riiiiiiiiight. Ok, I'll make it easier for you---no TA will pass if there is a larger than 70 seat aircraft attached to it for DCI. If it leads to a strike, well, that is the management's fault. IT may just happen, but no TA will pass with that attached. Count on it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Keep in mind, we're talking about the South, there's no such thing as follow-through.

-Blucher

Care to explain that yankee boy?

 

[79%N1]

He was there guys...Fairly descent turnout considering the size of our operation out here. Several guys came in on their day of. MEC, many FA's & mtc. guys made an appearance as well.

The obvious concerns were talked about, so I will try to summarize what was said.

SLC will be staus quo until May, and hopefully into the summer. Delta's May schedule requires 4 additional 70's to be added to the mix, so the 5 SKYW are getting will fill that niche, and ASA will stay with what we have. ASA's future in SLC depends on Delta's need. ASA's 50's coming out here doesn't look like a possibility

ASA opening another hub/domicile "absolutely will not happen". If and when we leave here, we go back to ATL. Jerry talked about the 90's/705's that Delta will need out of ATL, and ASA being the most likely candidate. Apparently 17 are on order. The scope business with Delta still needs to be settled for us to put 78 seats in the 900. We all voiced concern about lack of capacity in ATL, and JA hinted that when Delta downsizes their fleet, that slots would open. Basically, a lot of speculation here.

All you guys aren't going to like this, but sounds like our parent company giving us a contract without the 8% concession on 70 pay will not happen. JA said about 5 times that ASA cannot and will not get any addtional 70 flying until the costs come down. He gave some legitimate breakdowns of operation costs, and said that he wants us near the bottom, but not at the bottom. He touted the profit sharing plan several times, and some numbers were crunched while we were all there, and a $100k per year Captain stands to get about $1150 per quarter based on a 4.6% company quarterly earnings while meeting 100% of the performance goals (The baggage is not included!!)

Jerry said he's like to see the contract settled in one month, but realizes that is probably not possible. Travel benefits are at a stand still right now, and nothing has been discussed for about 2 months.

SKYW is actively bidding on the COEX flying, and if SKYW gets the award ASA could expect to receive a majority, possibly all of that flying (69 ERJ-145's). That awarded carrier is expected to be announced in about a month or 2.

That was the meat of the discussion. Most people seemed to enjoy talking with Jerry. He was very open, and easy to talk too. Straight shooter, and comes across more honest and trusting than a typical businessman. You guys in ATL will get your chance to meet him. He is supposed to have a similar forum in the crew lounge there in about 2 weeks he said.

Signing off...........

Why is nobody aking JA the most important question when they have his ear......Why should we take a paycut when Skywest is reporting hugh profits all the time????? I simply DO NOT understand this concept! I see why Delta, NW, USAIR, etc...were asked to reduce their costs, due to losing billions of dollars. But why should ASA? Is the sole reason to line the pockets of upper management or to send bigger dividend checks to the shareholders. Are airline managers so uncreative that the only way they know how to increase profits or reduce costs is to steal the money from pilots? And they require hugh bonuses and severances to retain these people?!?!?!? INSANE!
So, Jerry, WHY does ASA need to reduce pilot pay? (Not costs) We are headed to an impasse here. I, for one, simply cannot do this job for any less. Does JA or BL stay at home on off days because they cant afford any more money for gas that week. Did they buy their wives presents for Valentines Day or Birthdays, or could they not afford those? This is just business to them. They live in big houses, drive nice cars, buy lavish, expensive gifts? Do they turn their heat down to 60* at night and sleep under an extra blanket to keep warm to keep the electric bill down? I think I know the answer to these questions! But, they insist I do my job for less, to be 'near the bottom!" What an insult! Why? What is the motivation? What do they need that money for? To increase the profit margin of the company? If Skywest/ASA were losing money hand over fist, I could entertain their ideas. But we all know that is not the case. When they lose money, and then show us ALL THE OTHER WAYS they have reduced costs, then we can talk.

As far as the contract getting done now that we are under new ownership, it doesnt look any better.

 

[Blucher]

180,

The "yankee boy" comment just sets it up too perfectly! One word: Braves.

-Blucher

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

whole lot a dancing

Why is nobody aking JA the most important question when they have his ear......Why should we take a paycut when Skywest is reporting hugh profits all the time????? I simply DO NOT understand this concept! I see why Delta, NW, USAIR, etc...were asked to reduce their costs, due to losing billions of dollars. But why should ASA? Is the sole reason to line the pockets of upper management or to send bigger dividend checks to the shareholders. Are airline managers so uncreative that the only way they know how to increase profits or reduce costs is to steal the money from pilots? And they require hugh bonuses and severances to retain these people?!?!?!? INSANE!
So, Jerry, WHY does ASA need to reduce pilot pay? (Not costs) We are headed to an impasse here. I, for one, simply cannot do this job for any less. Does JA or BL stay at home on off days because they cant afford any more money for gas that week. Did they buy their wives presents for Valentines Day or Birthdays, or could they not afford those? This is just business to them. They live in big houses, drive nice cars, buy lavish, expensive gifts? Do they turn their heat down to 60* at night and sleep under an extra blanket to keep warm to keep the electric bill down? I think I know the answer to these questions! But, they insist I do my job for less, to be 'near the bottom!" What an insult! Why? What is the motivation? What do they need that money for? To increase the profit margin of the company? If Skywest/ASA were losing money hand over fist, I could entertain their ideas. But we all know that is not the case. When they lose money, and then show us ALL THE OTHER WAYS they have reduced costs, then we can talk.

As far as the contract getting done now that we are under new ownership, it doesnt look any better.

OH yeah it's all about EGO now days. We are going to hate to see the fallout as soon as we don't double our profits by next year.

Just ask General Flea about insulation.

Jerry wants to insulate pilots from any real raise

 

[Muff-N-Man]

Jerry talked about the 90's/705's that Delta will need out of ATL, and ASA being the most likely candidate. Apparently 17 are on order. The scope business with Delta still needs to be settled for us to put 78 seats in the 900. We all voiced concern about lack of capacity in ATL, and JA hinted that when Delta downsizes their fleet, that slots would open. Basically, a lot of speculation here.
.

I talked to Delta's COO a couple of months ago and we discussed the 705's. He said they are coming to Atlanta because that is a better market for a first class cabin. On scope, he said the 705 would have either 78 seats, or 70 seats with greater seat pitch in the back, depending on scope relief. They (?) had already been to Montreal and seen a mock-up of the cabin in both configurations.

 

[General Lee]

OH yeah it's all about EGO now days. We are going to hate to see the fallout as soon as we don't double our profits by next year.

Just ask General Flea about insulation.

Jerry wants to insulate pilots from any real raise

There you go, you finally use something I said to make your point. Jerry is responsible to the shareholders, of course, but it seems management raises and bonuses are more important than frontline workers. Having a profitable company with unhappy employees usually doesn't last long. SkyWest management will make money off of your allowance of stagnant wages, no doubt there.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I talked to Delta's COO a couple of months ago and we discussed the 705's. He said they are coming to Atlanta because that is a better market for a first class cabin. On scope, he said the 705 would have either 78 seats, or 70 seats with greater seat pitch in the back, depending on scope relief. They (?) had already been to Montreal and seen a mock-up of the cabin in both configurations.

I guess they can put in 70 seats and the plane will be the MOST COMFORTABLE RJ, EVER!!!!!!! Our Platinum Medallion customers will just love it and flock to it.


Bye Bye--General Lee