SkyWest Why Voting NO isn't enough

[Bluto]

Auspac, I explained above that my reasons for voting no have nothing to do with the proposed rate. If they had offered 3% raise on the 70-seater, nothing on the 50 and the bro, I would have been fine with the rates. The problem, aside from the single 50/70 rate (which is already out of the bag) is the lack of specific rates for only aircraft on property and the lack of an amendable or expiration date.

 

[auspac]

"If they had offered 3% raise on the 70-seater, nothing on the 50 and the bro, I would have been fine with the rates."

Really? If you're concerned about reserve call out times then chances are you wouldn't be senior enough to fly the 70 if they increased the rate for that alone. I think we agree on more than we disagree on but I certainly wouldn't support a raise for the 70 at expense of the 50 and the Bro (ie the majority of the pilots.) The 70 is an easier plane to fly and if things were really fair the Bro would get paid the most because you work your butt off in that plane. Do I think we should get paid more for the 70 -YES, but would I support a raise for the 70 (which I am flying this month) and nothing for the 50 - absolutely not! I completey agree with you on the lack of expiration date - that's unacceptable, although really what good did the last TA expiration date do? Has there been any talk of back pay?

 

[Bluto]

Our 50-seat rates are near the top of the industry while our 70's are nearly at the bottom.

The fact that you're not concerned abour reserve call-out times suggests that you are self-centered. I prefer to look at the impact of this agreement to our pilot group as a whole, not just to me. I'm a line-holder, not that it matters, it's a matter of principle. I don't fly the 70, but I was still outraged when the company force-bid 70-qualified pilots to fly lines they didn't bid.

I could have flown the 70 many times but chose not to because I believe the pay scale is unfair as you seem to. I, however, would consider myself a hypocrite if I didn't agree with the pay scale, yet bid to fly the aircraft. Apparently, you have no problem with that. I hear the 777's pretty easy to fly, it doesn't mean its pilots should be paid less. That is a tired, old, baseless argument and I'm tired of hearing it.

You make a valid point on the expiration date issue. Though, by your reasoning, we shouldn't even vote at all, since SGU can easily institute any pay system they want, regardless of the vote. Any control we have is an illusion SGU allows us to maintain. We have no leverage and therefore no control.

 

[Just_Defer_It]

Okay bus drivers...2005 is the year and your driving a bus full of people, not cargo. You bus drivers all think your God's gift to the aviation world, especially you XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXYou have worked for Skywest for what, 2-3 years and are trying to rock the boat with this ALPA drive. If you want to drive a union, you should try not to leave your ALPA calling cards in a plane that only you have flown. As for the rest of you bus drivers that think you know everything, get a clue. You people have not one inkling of a clue of how the economics of running an airline work. All you can think of is yourselves and how you can bite the hand that feeds you. I wish they did personality screening when you get your intro to aviation flight at the local flight school. That way we would be able to determine early on who is out to screw over every other work group at an airline.

And that's why I don't keep the beer keg within 10 hours of the computer...

We don't post people's names or employee numbers here without their permission. I'll bet when you cool off, you'll think better of this post. Either way, how about a week in the Penalty Box- all expenses paid? Be our guest! Remember, it's OK to disagree but not be disagreeable. If you don't like this, just look with I'm about to do to your downstairs neighbor!

UAL78

 

[RoyalAviation2]

Well, Your Highness, for one of the coarsest posts I've seen in awhile, you're getting the boot. If you want to talk like that in public, I'll put you on to a web designer and you can have your own little blah-blah blog.

Igor, the trap door if you please....


SPLAT!!!

Buh-bye!

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Just a defer it PUKE

Ask those NWA mechanics how much piece of mind they have now that they got fired from their union jobs. I'd say that 3% was surely a wise investment, don't you think OmaQUOTE]


just Defer it..... take the drumstick out of your mouth when you speak. Don't splatter names and numbers here you spineless, nadless, classless and lets not forget fruitpie. Its weak links like you that don't allow our pilots to bind together. You should be a taxi cab driver with your worthless attitude.

 

[difete]

I voted "NO"
*Posible 20 - 40 extra seats making revenue we do not see.
*Thanks for the bonus program, but what has this to do with keeping
up with the costs of anual inflation? Don't remember pilots asking for
a bonus program... I thought these discussions were about a rate
increase. So if we do not do good financially and on performance... do
we call it a pay cut?

And by the way "Just Defer It" That bashing was not cool at all man.

 

[79%N1]

Prediction........

This will pass! They ALL do! Since Comair, I don't remember ANY TA's or proposals being rejected at a regional, despite all the crew-room and message board rhetoric!

Skywest will FURTHER lower a bar they have already lowered by accepting this garbage!

BTW...on a per flight, or even hourly basis, crew costs are negligible. Example, if a say ASA crew makes $75/hr Capt, and $35 FO, and the same SKWest crew make $ 69 and $32, this is a difference of $9 per hour!!!!!!!! This is nothing! On a 2 hour flight this costs the company 18 bucks!!! COME ON! Think, get what is fair. The true costs lie elsewhere folks! The real costs for operationg these airplanes do not lie in a couple bucks difference in crew pay! Your bosses just want you to think so, trust me!!

 

[BoilerUP]

Prediction........

This will pass! They ALL do! Since Comair, I don't remember ANY TA's or proposals being rejected at a regional, despite all the crew-room and message board rhetoric!

Um, less than 2 weeks ago Trans States pilots voted down a concessionary TA that would have scoped them the GJ flying. It was around a 75% NO margin.

 

[auspac]

Bluto. Well I guess I am self centered, yet you were the one who said you would accept nothing for the 50 and Bro (the majority of the pilot group) in order to secure more for the 70. Wait, that's right - you don't fly the 70 out of principle. There's no doubt that you are a better man than I. It would be nice to see a longer call out for reserves but that's certainly not going to be a deciding factor for me. Reserve sucks. Guys who take the upgrade as soon as they can knowing they will have to commute to ORD for reserve for who knows how long - and then complain about it..... Don't want to hear it. I chose to wait to upgrade until I could hold a line, I chose to live in FAT for a couple of years in order to avoid commuting and I chose to avoid the RJ until I could hold a line. All personal choices, just like I chose to fly the 70 knowing I would not get paid any extra for it. Now I would like to see a raise for the entire pilot group and as many QOL gains as we can. For self centered me, the qualifying factor is the money though.

 

[auspac]

Oops, almost forgot I am a hypocrite too. Yes I believe we should get paid more to fly the 70 yet I fly it anyway, how can I argue? I'm a self centered hypocrite. I guess I chose the line where I could fly 2 legs a day for 6+ hours of pay in the 70 as opposed to 4 legs for 5 hours of pay in the 50. I prefer to think of myself as lazy and greedy. Now here'a a legitimite question which I don't know the answer to. How many of the majors pay differently for different models of the 737 or A319/320? My friend at UPS told me they pay for seniority and seat position. So a 2nd year 727 FO makes the same as a second year 757 FO - those UPS pilots lowering the bar!

 

[viper548]

How many of the majors pay differently for different models of the 737 or A319/320? My friend at UPS told me they pay for seniority and seat position. So a 2nd year 727 FO makes the same as a second year 757 FO - those UPS pilots lowering the bar!

I think a couple airlines pay more for the B-737-800 than the other models.
UPS pay is competitive against other B-757 airlines. It's just an even better deal if you're in the 727.

 

[viper548]

OK Mr. xxxx xxxxxx "the customer service guy" who happened to be danged into the bus driver posiotion by the money of his family. We'll see how you end up here this attitude b*t*h, oh I mean F.O. "gear up fix my climate controls and get my coffee for me." While your at it, why don't you put green tags on carry ons since you already know how to do that...

I've got a lot of respect for those who work their way up from being a ramper/CS to being a pilot. Wasn't the COO a ramper way back when?

 

[BoilerUP]

I think a couple airlines pay more for the B-737-800 than the other models.
UPS pay is competitive against other B-757 airlines. It's just an even better deal if you're in the 727.

DAL pays more for the 738 than the 732/733.

UPS's pay is based on the 757/767. It makes for industry-leading 727 captain pay and industry-lagging MD/747 pay...but it makes QOL excellent because you don't bid a paycheck, you bid your lifestyle. That makes the classic airplanes the most senior airplanes.

 

[viper548]

Ask those NWA mechanics how much piece of mind they have now that they got fired from their union jobs. I'd say that 3% was surely a wise investment, don't you think #### ###### #### #00000?

That's just wrong posting someone elses personal info. If you wanna call someone out, do it on the SAPA forum where you can't hide behind a screen name