skywest sim vdp question

[wannab0133]

i have an interview coming up with skywest and ive been practicing in the sim a little. a question about the vdp came up. what happens on a non-precision straight in appch when you are at or beyond the vdp with no visual references at all? do you go missed at the vdp? that would, i assume mean fly to map then execute missed approach. what if you pick up the runway beyond the vdp? still go missed b/c you cannot land within the tdz unless you chop/drop? any thoughts?

 

[WMUdz]

Go missed at the VDP. That's it's purpose. Its there to make sure you can make a stabilized approach down on a somewhat normal glideslope. Picking up the runway passed this would not allow a normal descent. As far as going missed, continue to the MAP and execute the missed from there.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Remember you can initiate the climb at or prior to VDP but you need to stay on the approach course all the way to the MAP unless ATC directs otherwise. Whether it's line flying or an interview the old adage of plan the flight and fly the plan is true. Brief whatever you're using for a VDP and stick with it. If you don't have DME you can use 10% of the HAT in seconds. It's easy to make mistakes when you have DME because the TDZE is usually offest from the navaid. Take your time when you brief and make sure things are what they appear.

If you make a mistake in the sim be forthcoming about it and learn from it. Don't get hung up on it. Keep flying! I doubt that many people fly that sim perfectly. Another thing is to remember the 5 "T"'s at FAF. I like to be fully configured a couple of miles outside the fix and then I do a quick mental review of the actions that my partner and I will need to accomplish. We don't do a lot of non-precision approaches while line flying so we're more vulnerable to errors compared to flying an ILS approach.

 

[MarineGrunt]

I have a post in the training forum on this, might want to check it out. BTW- expect them to have you calculate your own VDP (PDP)if there is none depicted.

Good luck.

 

[Jeepman]

Good question,

I flew with a Capt last week who said he almost blew his RJ ride in the sim over this. I think it was in IDA on the VOR app. I believe he lost the runway past the VDP and started the missed before the MAP. The MAP depicts a teardrop turn back to the VOR for a parallel entry. Since he started too soon he was doing a teardrop turn back, but was circling around the VOR. He realized that something was wrong and managed to save it but the moral of the story is, continue at the MDA to the VDP.

Wow, this is one of the few constructive topics on here!

GOOD LUCK!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Wow, this is one of the few constructive topics on here!

GOOD LUCK!

Give it some time. Pretty soon someone will turn it into a debate over PFT, CMR not hiring mainline guys, Mesa lowering the bar, or maybe even a UPA versus SAPA pissing contest.

 

[Dutch]

I think you just did.

 

[IP076]

Missed at the VDP?

I'd say climb to the Circling MDA and continue as long as you had the vis requirement for the circling approach. Who knows, you may be able to get in on a circling approach. If not, go missed at the MAP.

Where were you on that one dutch?

 

[Dutch]

Waiting on you

Knew you'd pop in on this topic. Just thought I'd give you a chance. Made the move yet?

IP229

BTW, nice to have the pattern back to normal, no more 150/152's with bad radios messing it all up. We do that fine on our own.

 

[Eric]

So the runway is in sight after the VDP/PDP, and you really would like to end the trip at your base so you can sleep with your wife that night. The runway is 10,000 ft. and you have one of them fancy turbo props where the blades move and shoot air forward. Do you go missed and spend the night in BFE?

 

[Erlanger]

Don't go miss at the VDP. Continue to the MAP. Maybe you calculated the VDP wrong, and after you pass it, you get the runway in sight and if you can make a normal descent with normal maneuvering then land. If you're in a sim with visuals, you will be asked where the VDP is and if it looks like you calculated it wrong, you will get just that; no runway at the VDP and if you go miss then the runway will appear and depending on how much you figured wrong, you might see VASI that shows you're right on, and here you're on the miss. While technically it isn't wrong, but you could of avoided having to go miss for no reason.

(Of course there is no visuals in the ATC-810)

 

[Mel Sharples]

I agree that it depends. Technically a VDP is there to make sure you don't start down too soon. You could still descend at a reasonable rate and land in the TDZ after you pass a published VDP but if you descend before it you are busted.

Just my $.02 worth. . .

 

[USMCAirWinger]

Where is TABEXPRESSFO for his great aviation knowledge

 

[guitarflyer]

Maybe you calculated the VDP wrong, and after you pass it, you get the runway in sight and if you can make a normal descent with normal maneuvering then land.

Or maybe winds are not what ya thought....

There is also the "last chance" VDP. This is 400 ft/nm, which is the max allowed by TERPS.

I'd say climb to the Circling MDA and continue as long as you had the vis requirement for the circling approach. Who knows, you may be able to get in on a circling approach.

Huh?

Try that on a check ride.

 

[MetroSheriff]

I thought you were supposed to hit TOGA and follow the Cyan colored line....

 

[100LL... Again!]

Many ideas given here, and a lot of them make sense.

However, on an interview or company checkride, do it the way the evaluator wants. Even if it is the stupidest thing you ever heard of. After all, its only a sim.

I'll fly the approach at ref+50 if that's what he wants.

On the line, however...