Skywest seat lock question

[pilotsh]

I know there is a one year seat lock at Skywest, but how does that pertain to upgrading? Here is my example:

I start initial as a Bro FO. I do it for 12 months, then I transition to the CRJ. Now if upgrades for Bro are running less than one year, say 18 months, am I seat locked in the CRJ as an FO for a year before I can upgrade as a Bro CA? So in this example, I would have to wait 24 months from DOH to upgrade to Bro CA?

Do seat lock periods start at the beginning of training for said A/C, at the end of training, or at the end of OE?

And finally, seat lock applies for CAs as well? So if I just upgraded to Bro CA, I would have to wait 12 months before transitioning to the CRJ?

THanks fellas

 

[txpilot1974]

I know there is a one year seat lock at Skywest, but how does that pertain to upgrading? Here is my example:

I start initial as a Bro FO. I do it for 12 months, then I transition to the CRJ. Now if upgrades for Bro are running less than one year, say 18 months, am I seat locked in the CRJ as an FO for a year before I can upgrade as a Bro CA? So in this example, I would have to wait 24 months from DOH to upgrade to Bro CA?

Do seat lock periods start at the beginning of training for said A/C, at the end of training, or at the end of OE?

And finally, seat lock applies for CAs as well? So if I just upgraded to Bro CA, I would have to wait 12 months before transitioning to the CRJ?

THanks fellas

1. Yes
2. I believe it is from your DOH.
3. Yes

 

[sweptback]

That's pretty bad.

The seat lock at ASA never prevents you from transitioning to a higher rate of pay, whether it be going to the 700 as FO-FO or CA-CA, or upgrading.

This is one of those things, while not being rates of pay, definitely affecting your paycheck.

 

[Buzo]

The seat lock begins the first day of class. New hires are not seat locked from upgrading to CA, but if you transition, you are seat locked for a year.

 

[Dubya]

I know there is a one year seat lock at Skywest, but how does that pertain to upgrading? Here is my example:

I start initial as a Bro FO. I do it for 12 months, then I transition to the CRJ. Now if upgrades for Bro are running less than one year, say 18 months, am I seat locked in the CRJ as an FO for a year before I can upgrade as a Bro CA? So in this example, I would have to wait 24 months from DOH to upgrade to Bro CA?

Do seat lock periods start at the beginning of training for said A/C, at the end of training, or at the end of OE?

And finally, seat lock applies for CAs as well? So if I just upgraded to Bro CA, I would have to wait 12 months before transitioning to the CRJ?

THanks fellas

Ahhhhh...i'm fairly sure that 18 months is more than a year. I'll check my Farmers Almanac. Hopefully I won't have to eat crow on this one.

W

 

[Flip]

And at that, the quick upgrades are a thing of the past (or about to be) so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

[jebmei]

I know there is a one year seat lock at Skywest, but how does that pertain to upgrading? Here is my example:

I start initial as a Bro FO. I do it for 12 months, then I transition to the CRJ. Now if upgrades for Bro are running less than one year, say 18 months, am I seat locked in the CRJ as an FO for a year before I can upgrade as a Bro CA? So in this example, I would have to wait 24 months from DOH to upgrade to Bro CA?

Do seat lock periods start at the beginning of training for said A/C, at the end of training, or at the end of OE?

And finally, seat lock applies for CAs as well? So if I just upgraded to Bro CA, I would have to wait 12 months before transitioning to the CRJ?

THanks fellas

EMB upgrades are still running junior for FAT. Most junior award this month has a pilot seniority of 84% and is likely still on first year pay.
The junior upgrades are coming from other airlines though. Skyw won't upgrade you until you have 2500 total / 1000 crew.

 

[BoilerUP]

Ahhhhh...i'm fairly sure that 18 months is more than a year. I'll check my Farmers Almanac. Hopefully I won't have to eat crow on this one.

W

It was how he wrote it...18 months from his DOH, or less than 12 months from his transition to the RJ.

 

[Baze]

They have been known to remove the seatlock if they need people to transition and/or upgrade. They did this at least twice during my 6 years there.

That's pretty bad.

The seat lock at ASA never prevents you from transitioning to a higher rate of pay, whether it be going to the 700 as FO-FO or CA-CA, or upgrading.

This is one of those things, while not being rates of pay, definitely affecting your paycheck.

 

[sweptback]

They have been known to remove the seatlock if they need people to transition and/or upgrade. They did this at least twice during my 6 years there.

I would rather have my rights codified per a contract and be uniform for everybody rather than have it be at company discretion, but that's just me. Any seat lock provision can be waived for company convenience, it's usually written right in the language.

 

[duck_killer]

If you transition your seat locked to the AC not neccasarily the seat.

 

[Bako Cap]

Junior EMB Captain award is a 4-07 hire date.

 

[pilotsh]

Thanks guys.

I've heard exactly what some of you stated, that the FAT base EMB CA goes pretty junior, less than 2 years DOH. I'm a CRJ poolie, but have the choice to go to the BRO. Seniority-wise, it'd probably be smarter, but I'm lazy and don't like doing 7 leg days My longterm career goals favor more jet time than prop time, so I'm leaning more towards just going straight into the RJ, but I also wanna go for the quick EMB CA upgrade. I could just be a CRJ FO until I get the EMB CA award, but then I will have 0 hours in the Bro when I jump in the left seat, and I dunno if that's wise.

What I wanted to do was be an EMB FO the first year, transition to CRJ FO, then about 6-8 months into it, upgrade to EMB CA, but it sounds like I can't do that from what you guys have posted. I need to stay in the ERJ as an FO for a year before I can do EMB CA.

What would you guys do?

 

[imisscorplife]

If you are JR in the CRJ and get MKE......you will be doing 6 legs in that.

 

[Baze]

It's all about seniority. Take the first class that you can, regardless of type of equipment. The Brasilia is a challenging airplane but fun to fly. The 8-leg days suck, but you only have to do that for a year.

If you plan on going to a major later on in your career, they aren't going to care too much if your turbine PIC time was in a CRJ or an EMB-120. Yes, it helps to have some time in a glass cockpit, but a stint in the right seat of the CRJ will get you that.

Again, take the first class you can get into.
But, that's just the way I see it.

Thanks guys.

I've heard exactly what some of you stated, that the FAT base EMB CA goes pretty junior, less than 2 years DOH. I'm a CRJ poolie, but have the choice to go to the BRO. Seniority-wise, it'd probably be smarter, but I'm lazy and don't like doing 7 leg days My longterm career goals favor more jet time than prop time, so I'm leaning more towards just going straight into the RJ, but I also wanna go for the quick EMB CA upgrade. I could just be a CRJ FO until I get the EMB CA award, but then I will have 0 hours in the Bro when I jump in the left seat, and I dunno if that's wise.

What I wanted to do was be an EMB FO the first year, transition to CRJ FO, then about 6-8 months into it, upgrade to EMB CA, but it sounds like I can't do that from what you guys have posted. I need to stay in the ERJ as an FO for a year before I can do EMB CA.

What would you guys do?

 

[jebmei]

Thanks guys.

I've heard exactly what some of you stated, that the FAT base EMB CA goes pretty junior, less than 2 years DOH. I'm a CRJ poolie, but have the choice to go to the BRO. Seniority-wise, it'd probably be smarter, but I'm lazy and don't like doing 7 leg days My longterm career goals favor more jet time than prop time, so I'm leaning more towards just going straight into the RJ, but I also wanna go for the quick EMB CA upgrade. I could just be a CRJ FO until I get the EMB CA award, but then I will have 0 hours in the Bro when I jump in the left seat, and I dunno if that's wise.

What I wanted to do was be an EMB FO the first year, transition to CRJ FO, then about 6-8 months into it, upgrade to EMB CA, but it sounds like I can't do that from what you guys have posted. I need to stay in the ERJ as an FO for a year before I can do EMB CA.

What would you guys do?

Take the first class regardless of type. After a year figure out if you'd rather upgrade in type or fly a shiny jet.

 

[jea]

Dont come and fly the EMB and piss and moan about how loud and uncomfortable it is... some of us like the airplane and would rather screw our way through life than blow our way through life... i mean seriously.... if i were still flying a fixed pitch prop at this point in my career- id be hiding it under a cowling as well but seriously- it sounds like your hair may be bleached..... wait for the jet class.... youre that cool.....

 

[FlySacto]

Thanks guys.

I've heard exactly what some of you stated, that the FAT base EMB CA goes pretty junior, less than 2 years DOH. I'm a CRJ poolie, but have the choice to go to the BRO. Seniority-wise, it'd probably be smarter, but I'm lazy and don't like doing 7 leg days My longterm career goals favor more jet time than prop time, so I'm leaning more towards just going straight into the RJ, but I also wanna go for the quick EMB CA upgrade. I could just be a CRJ FO until I get the EMB CA award, but then I will have 0 hours in the Bro when I jump in the left seat, and I dunno if that's wise.

What I wanted to do was be an EMB FO the first year, transition to CRJ FO, then about 6-8 months into it, upgrade to EMB CA, but it sounds like I can't do that from what you guys have posted. I need to stay in the ERJ as an FO for a year before I can do EMB CA.

What would you guys do?

Seven leg days? We get nine on occasion I have to say that it's pretty f'ing funny watching a new Captain who had only flown the Barbi Jet before gettting his arse slapped around by the bad girl from Brazil. After flying with couple of these guys I had to either upgrade or stick a gun barrel to my temple. I'm sure it's even more fun when the FO has 150hrs in the aircraft and has finally gotten brave enough to engage the autopilot at 700'agl instead of 600' The guys that go fly their butt off for a year in the right seat, transition to the SJ, then come back and upgrade seem to have the the proper tactic. I'll go fly a pure jet half way across the country when the words "Express" or "Connection" aren't painted on the side.

 

[Flip]

Seven leg days? We get nine on occasion I have to say that it's pretty f'ing funny watching a new Captain who had only flown the Barbi Jet before gettting his arse slapped around by the bad girl from Brazil. After flying with couple of these guys I had to either upgrade or stick a gun barrel to my temple. I'm sure it's even more fun when the FO has 150hrs in the aircraft and has finally gotten brave enough to engage the autopilot at 700'agl instead of 600' The guys that go fly their butt off for a year in the right seat, transition to the SJ, then come back and upgrade seem to have the the proper tactic. I'll go fly a pure jet half way across the country when the words "Express" or "Connection" aren't painted on the side.

I'm with you on that post!

 

[Spicepilots]

I'm with you on that post!

Ditto. After having flown the Bro first and the jet for the last few years, I understand why all the guys who came fresh to the EMB as captains could barely find their butts with both hands when it came to flying it. Two totally different animals. The electrical system alone is enough to make you go cross-eyed, but it take some skill, a lot of trim, and a strong right leg to fly her. Two-fiddy to the marker behind a 747 and exit the first taxiway at LAX? Yes, sir, we can do it!


To the OP, do yourself a favor and take the first class. Seniority, seniority, seniority. It won't matter where you're based on the jet when you've got a year's worth of EMB FO's transitioning in above you.