Skywest, Sapa and Union Busting Law Firm...

[120% Torque]

First I want the new guys at skywest to know and understand that skywest hired Ford/Harrison, a labor law firm to represent them. Also, I want the new guys to understand that alot of the cleverly written letters such as that from "chip childs" are actually written by this firm. Skywest makes no bones about the fact they have these guys on the payroll. So in actual fact it is Legal "marketeers" who wrote the last letter suggesting if you bring in sapa, Skywest's growth will be hurt. You see they research how you think and they try to go right for the area you will respond to most. The fact is Skywest will be equally succesfull with or without Alpa. PLEASE don't buy into the rhetoric. Just like you dont run out and buy Tide after seeing a Tide commercial on TV, try to use your mind and formulate what is really best for you going forward.

PS- Does anybody find it troubling that the now Sapa president just posted information from this firms website, FordHarrison, on the Sapa forums even if its just info on mergers and labor laws? What is he doing over on that site to start with?

http://www.fordharrison.com/about.aspx?Show=673

"Ford & Harrison is committed to providing assistance to employers to allow their management teams to successfully deal with increased litigation, government agency investigations, collective bargaining, or union organizing drives by helping to provide the necessary knowledge and insight to deal with these issues."

 

[jeroom]

First I want the new guys at skywest to know and understand that skywest hired Ford/Harrison, a labor law firm to represent them. Also, I want the new guys to understand that alot of the cleverly written letters such as that from "chip childs" are actually written by this firm. Skywest makes no bones about the fact they have these guys on the payrole. So in actually fact it is Legal "marketeers" who wrote the last letter suggesting if you bring in sapa Skywests growth will be hurt. You see they research how you think and they try to go right for the area you will respond to most. The fact is Skywest will be equally succesfull with or without Alpa. PLEASE don't buy into the rhetoric. Just like you dont run out and buy Tide after seeing a Tide commercial on TV, try to use your mind and formulate what is really best for you going forward.

PS- Does anybody find it troubling that the now Sapa president just posted information from this firms website, FordHarrison, on the Sapa forums even if its just info on mergers and labor laws? What is he doing over on that site to start with?

http://www.fordharrison.com/about.aspx?Show=673

"Ford & Harrison is committed to providing assistance to employers to allow their management teams to successfully deal with increased litigation, government agency investigations, collective bargaining, or union organizing drives by helping to provide the necessary knowledge and insight to deal with these issues."

I hope they all read this...

 

[DashTrash400]

Ford & Harrison is well known over at Horizon Air, the company used them in their attempts at keeping the union off the property and has since used them in attempts to bust the union. Much of the communication that's purportedly from management has been shown to have actually originated with Ford & Harrison. You're 100% spot on about them researching the area the employees will respond to most and then attacking on that front. They've obviously found that Skywest pilots are most concerned about slowing growth causing increased upgrade time and are using that knowledge to manipulate them. We'll see if it works.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Ford & Harrison is well known over at Horizon Air, the company used them in their attempts at keeping the union off the property and has since used them in attempts to bust the union. Much of the communication that's purportedly from management has been shown to have actually originated with Ford & Harrison. You're 100% spot on about them researching the area the employees will respond to most and then attacking on that front. They've obviously found that Skywest pilots are most concerned about slowing growth causing increased upgrade time and are using that knowledge to manipulate them. We'll see if it works.

Our caring management team uses them every time we have a union drive...so far the millions JA has given F & H (instead of the pilots), has succesfully beaten back every union drive on the property!

 

[Bako Cap]

120%,
You are a "female private parts cleaner" for bringing BS's post onto FI. Did you not read his post? He was very up front that after a Google search he had found information about the issue being discussed on the F&H website. All of you anti-SAPA guys need to back off on this one. BS is a VERY pro-pilot who I would back 100% if he would want to run for MEC chairman when ALPA comes onto property. He is not one of the management lackeys that we are used to in SAPA. There are many issues that are useful in getting ALPA on property. Slamming BS is not one of them.

 

[120% Torque]

120%,
You are a "female private parts cleaner" for bringing BS's post onto FI. Did you not read his post? He was very up front that after a Google search he had found information about the issue being discussed on the F&H website. All of you anti-SAPA guys need to back off on this one. BS is a VERY pro-pilot who I would back 100% if he would want to run for MEC chairman when ALPA comes onto property. He is not one of the management lackeys that we are used to in SAPA. There are many issues that are useful in getting ALPA on property. Slamming BS is not one of them.

B.S. as you will find out is just as much of a company man as the other Presidents who went before him. He is just smarter in how he presents himself, and not so abrasive nor defensive in defending management. I worked with him on a couple issues and at the end of the day the outcome was just as bad as the other guys. He over the years has migrated into sapa and such for his quality of life and days off, there is no two ways about it. His true attitude will come out in the coming months if Alpa is not voted in. You heard it here first.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

B.S. as you will find out is just as much of a company man as the other Presidents who went before him. He is just smarter in how he presents himself, and not so abrasive nor defensive in defending management. I worked with him on a couple issues and at the end of the day the outcome was just as bad as the other guys. He over the years has migrated into sapa and such for his quality of life and days off, there is no two ways about it. His true attitude will come out in the coming months if Alpa is not voted in. You heard it here first.

You sir, are well informed, and correct!

 

[Super Monkey]

I don't know if I have any room to talk here, buuuut...

I was at SkyWest and was a SAPA rep. Let me say this to all SkyWest pilots that are listening...SAPA does not work in favor of the pilots!

The pilots of SkyWest need to be formally represented and recognized. Not to "Screw" mngt, but to not have your delicate and hard earned career flushed. You need to have someone behind you when it goes down. I know all too often that I could not help other fellow pilots out as a rep. I couldn't go down to HQ and throw a bandaid on the situation; I couldn't even clean the wound! I tried to involve the EB on numerous occcations, only to have them say, "well we can't do much for them." Kinda "Oh well" attitude I guess. I can honestly say that I did nothing but beat my head up against the wall. I found more confrontation from within SAPA than with mngnt. Mngnt saw this and just watched us beat ourselves up and end up with no direction whatso ever. They saw the disorganization of the organization and did not take us seriously.

I'm at an ALPA carrier now...a good and well respected one too. ALPA is not a 4 letter bad word here. The company respects our union and professionally negotiates with them. The company advises us to seek a union rep when in need. It's not all about negotiation either; it's about someone having your back when you're losing your medical, your retirement, your benefits, or just your mind.

For the sake of every pilot at SkyWest, please get educated and vote.

 

[dumbidea]

well, im not sure about all of this other business......but I LOVE cleaning female private parts...

120%,
You are a "female private parts cleaner" for bringing BS's post onto FI. Did you not read his post? He was very up front that after a Google search he had found information about the issue being discussed on the F&H website. All of you anti-SAPA guys need to back off on this one. BS is a VERY pro-pilot who I would back 100% if he would want to run for MEC chairman when ALPA comes onto property. He is not one of the management lackeys that we are used to in SAPA. There are many issues that are useful in getting ALPA on property. Slamming BS is not one of them.

 

[WalterSobchak]

First I want the new guys at skywest to know and understand that skywest hired Ford/Harrison...

They hired Han Solo? Dirty smuggler...

 

[John Pennekamp]

We have lots of experience with Ford & Harrison here at ASA. They have been the company's law firm for years, and they are 90% of the reason our negotiations have drug out. Their lawyer, Bill Hiers used to sit and stare out the window at negotiations, argue that every "will" must become a "shall" and other highly productive activities. They also like to drag out the grievance process by refusing to meet and strike for arbitrators, rescheduling, and legal maneuvering. "Billable" Bill (as he's known) literally wrote a book on union busting that F&H uses like a company bible. Bill left the company for a while, but I've heard he's now back.

We have seen many, many memos written by F&H and passed off as being written by company managers. Funny how they all have the same writing style. They also picked through our FOM with a fine tooth comb to reduce the company's liability, and increase the potential for enforceability by shifting the burden to the pilots and increasing the potential for discipline. ASA has also outsourced our FMLA leave "program" to F&H so that they can find loopholes to deny the leave.

F&H is committed to helping its clients avoid unionization and to bust existing unions. Once they get involved, you know your company is scared, because they're bringing out the big guns. This is no ordinary law firm, they have a national reputation as being THE law firm if you have a union you can't deal with.

 

[Texx]

Here at ASA we are use to these people. This one especially...http://www.fordharrison.com/showbio.aspx?Show=68

He has such a happy face doesn't he.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

F&H is the default anti pilot union. They specialize in airline industry actitvities..... If there is any type of pilot representation, including organizing drives you can bet there is a F&H LAWYER on site.

Instead of viewing pilots as an asset, companies would rather treat you as a cost to be controlled. Your management team would rather give millions to Ford and Harrison then give you a pay raise.

Welcome to America. No one gives a damm about how much time, money and energy you gave to become an airline pilot. Your management team doesn't repsect you or like you because you operate a 20MM jet and have peoples lives in your hands.

The only people that care about Air Line Pilots are Air Line Pilots. The sooner we get together... work together the better off we will be....


The Book.. Confessions of a Union Buster is a great read.. it will show you who is capable of what in this country. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_g...=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=union+buster

 

[Texx]

120%,
You are a "female private parts cleaner" for bringing BS's post onto FI. Did you not read his post? He was very up front that after a Google search he had found information about the issue being discussed on the F&H website. All of you anti-SAPA guys need to back off on this one. BS is a VERY pro-pilot who I would back 100% if he would want to run for MEC chairman when ALPA comes onto property. He is not one of the management lackeys that we are used to in SAPA. There are many issues that are useful in getting ALPA on property. Slamming BS is not one of them.

If this guys is so "pro APLA" is he working on OR with the OC to bring ALPA on the property?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Here at ASA we are use to these people. This one especially...http://www.fordharrison.com/showbio.aspx?Show=68

He has such a happy face doesn't he.

Arrrrrgh! Billiable Bill! RUN!!!!!! :uzi:

 

[Brasilia Flyer]

120%,
You are a "female private parts cleaner"

Didn't know they had people for that.

 

[120% Torque]

120%,
You are a "female private parts cleaner" for bringing BS's post onto FI. Did you not read his post? He was very up front that after a Google search he had found information about the issue being discussed on the F&H website. All of you anti-SAPA guys need to back off on this one. BS is a VERY pro-pilot who I would back 100% if he would want to run for MEC chairman when ALPA comes onto property. He is not one of the management lackeys that we are used to in SAPA. There are many issues that are useful in getting ALPA on property. Slamming BS is not one of them.

To further shore up my case I'll share a quote written today by none other than Jim Black, one of the worst of the Sapa reps when it comes to being in bed with management:

"Just wanted to chime in and tell you all, Bill is a good man. I am glad to have him (B.S.) part of the EB. He is a hard worker and puts this pilot group first. It will be nice to get SAPA working again and getting the right things done for this pilot group over the remainder of hopefully future terms with Bill as President."

Do you remember the tone of Jim Black regarding M.N. who was the first Sapa president in a long time to tell it like it was and expose the corruption inside. The fact JB is sitting here espousing the virtues of Bill should send red flags up immediately. These guys are buds. Bill is less abbrassive but in the end his loyalties are with Brad and the rest of the club. Have been for a long time.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

But another reason why I will be voting YES. Wake up people!

 

[SSDD]

F&H. Because you know, we woundln't want a THIRD party coming between us and our pilots

 

[Jmoney]

Where's Skynation?

I'll bet Skynation would give old Bill a big wet smootch. That guy is such a "screw everyone but me" type he could probably even get a job with this bunch!

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