Skywest pay raise details (no personal information):

[John Pennekamp]

Fellow pilots,

This document’s purpose is to familiarize SkyWest Pilots with the quality of life work-rule improvements proposal nicknamed Zoltar and to also update pay negotiations.

Zoltar

• 2 hour Short-Call for all domiciles for reserve pilots
• Establish a 12 hour Long-Call for reserve pilots
• Max 18 duty days per bid period, i.e. 12-13 days off for all pilots
• 4:10 Minimum Daily Guarantee for all pilots
• Establish a Minimum Staffing Level Requirement formula coupled with monetary incentives, i.e. 150% pay above 87 hrs, if the average credit per domicile with PBS is above 90 hours at the beginning of the bidding process.
• Establish a reserve list transparency able to be seen by all pilots, i.e. any pilot will be able to see the current reserve staffing levels system wide and at each domicile.

The Scheduling Committee is currently trying to find a common date to meet with ***** *******, Director of **** *******, to finalize this proposal.

Pay Negotiations Update

The Executive Board had met in a recent Flight Ops meeting with Captain **** **** (VP of **** ***), who has now re-opened up pay negotiations and has expressed a positive outlook toward a revised pay TA (Tentative Agreement) with the pilot group. The EB came back to the representatives in the Denver SAPA meeting and SAPA has swiftly established a TA to be proposed to ****next week.

Pay Proposal TA:

• 2% immediate raise across the board
• Split rates between CRJ 200 & the CRJ 700/900 Captain & FO rates
• CRJ 700/900 rate equal to ASA’s CRJ700 rate
• EMB 120 rate instead of Turbo Prop rate
• COLA (Cost Of Living Adjustments) of 2%/ yr starting 1/08 thru 1/09
• First Year FO rate all aircraft of $23

We will update the results further after the EB meets with Captain ****. Thank you for taking the time to read this update.

Fly safe,
Captain **** *****, ************** Committee Chair

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Remember guys and gals, this is just a proposal from Skywest pilots to mgmt. I wouldn't get too excited until it goes in effect (if it does). ASA is asking for pay increases too but that doesn't mean it will happen.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Isnt this the second time it was posted? And wasnt it supposed to be kept somewhat quiet?

 

[Bluto]

I think the first post got yanked and this individual decided to sterilize and repost it. Thanks a lot for the negotiating help. Please let us know if there's anything we can do to lend a hand to the ASA negotiations, too. (Expletive withheld...)

 

[Crash Pad]

Wow that list looks like the same things ASA is looking for. Would I be off my rocker to assume that they might be thinking of making the merg?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Isn't this pretty close to the rumored offer that management made to the ASA pilots which was rumored to have been removed after ASA's representatives turned it down because it included Pref Bidding?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I think the first post got yanked and this individual decided to sterilize and repost it. Thanks a lot for the negotiating help. Please let us know if there's anything we can do to lend a hand to the ASA negotiations, too. (Expletive withheld...)

Without a SkyWest person leaking this information to the rest of us, we never would have found out about it. Thank your coworker for this, not JP.

 

[ASADriver]

Isn't this pretty close to the rumored offer that management made to the ASA pilots which was rumored to have been removed after ASA's representatives turned it down because it included Pref Bidding?

Fins, your an informed person. You support our local guys and are sceptical of ALPA national. What do you think of the rumored ASA and SKYW offer? Do you think it is an acceptable offer?

 

[blott]

Skywest pilots handing over the proposal-"this is what we want" . Skywest managment- (think Office Space) "umm, yeah, we need to move you to the basement...."

 

[doug_or]

... But can we keep the stapler?

 

[skypine69]

ha ha ha.....skywest pilots think they are going to get a raise....now thats funny stuff right there....ha ha

ps..if you do the 900 training for no pay then you have no right to be in this industry

 

["GO AROUND"]

Fins, your an informed person. You support our local guys and are sceptical of ALPA national. What do you think of the rumored ASA and SKYW offer? Do you think it is an acceptable offer?

I did not see the offer in person, but right off the bat there was no min day, Cola raises, no 12-13 min days off, and no across the board pay raise.

The company still wanted a pay freeze at current rates on the 70/76 for the duration of the 5 yr contract among other things.

 

[Rogue5]

ha ha ha.....skywest pilots think they are going to get a raise....now thats funny stuff right there....ha ha

ps..if you do the 900 training for no pay then you have no right to be in this industry

SkyWest pilots already were offered a 1.2% pay raise a few months ago which was voted down 79% to 21% as insufficient and offered under unacceptable terms...

What makes it so funny to think a pilot group should actually expect and receive a pay raise?

 

[PCL_128]

Perhaps someone could explain what you think is so great about this offer? The 12-13 days off is nice, as is the long call and 4:10 min day, but 2% COLA raises? You do realize that inflation is expected to average 4% for the next few years, right? That means you would basically take a 2% paycut every year. You guys turned down 1.2% pay raises overwhelmingly, but now 0.8% more gets everyone excited? What am I missing here?

 

[Medeco]

The 12-13 days off is nice, as is the long call and 4:10 min day, but 2% COLA raises? quote]

Someone care to define/explain the 4:10 min day?

Medeco

 

[fastback]

Someone care to define/explain the 4:10 min day?

If the higher of credit time for the day, or half of duty time for the day, is less than 4 hrs 10 mins, then 4:10 is paid. Current Skywest min day is 3:45.

 

[Splert]

Dearest Ron R.,

Your idea of no amendable date is great thinking.

Love and Kisses,

Dave A.

P.S. I’ll wear that outfit you loved so much next weekend on the house boat.

CC: Brad H.

 

[Bluto]

Wow. That's helpful.

 

[Splert]

How else could it be explained?

The leader of the pilot group thinks it a really, really good idea to NOT include an amendable date within the proposal to management.

This IS SAPA’s request to management, yes?

He must be giving or receiving something and loving it!

Do you think it a good idea too?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Fins, your an informed person. You support our local guys and are sceptical of ALPA national. What do you think of the rumored ASA and SKYW offer? Do you think it is an acceptable offer?

Truly, I don't know. I could not speak for the pilot group and I don't know what, if anything, was done to fix section 1.

I will attend the next LEC meeting and try to vocalize my concerns that we are letting a lot of jobs go down the river. Ultimately my ALPA speaks for me (and you) from a legal and pragmatic perspective. It is our job to try to support our representatives and orient them towards what we need done.

My understanding is SkyWest has no intention of a list merger, unless the SkyWest pilots vote for a union. This is sort of a defeatest position for management because I think Jerry Atkin could probably merge the airlines, force a vote and get ALPA off the property.

 

[ASADriver]

Truly, I don't know. I could not speak for the pilot group and I don't know what, if anything, was done to fix section 1.

I will attend the next LEC meeting and try to vocalize my concerns that we are letting a lot of jobs go down the river. Ultimately my ALPA speaks for me (and you) from a legal and pragmatic perspective. It is our job to try to support our representatives and orient them towards what we need done.

My understanding is SkyWest has no intention of a list merger, unless the SkyWest pilots vote for a union. This is sort of a defeatest position for management because I think Jerry Atkin could probably merge the airlines, force a vote and get ALPA off the property.

I get the feeling we aren't being told the whole truth, and that bothers me. How can we make informed decisions if we are kept in the dark? I plan on attending the meeting also. I want some answers about what it is exactly we are holding out for and where we go next.

 

[skypine69]

Sarcasm dude. Of course skywest pilots deserve a raise. Every pilot out there deserves a raise. But you dont get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate (where have i seen that before). SAPA has presented to management what they want to end up with, not something higher that what they want. That is poor negotiation.

If you do the 900 training for no pay, you have no right to be in this industry.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I get the feeling we aren't being told the whole truth, and that bothers me. How can we make informed decisions if we are kept in the dark? I plan on attending the meeting also. I want some answers about what it is exactly we are holding out for and where we go next.

So did you go to the LEC meeting? What did you hear?

 

[skywav8r]

The only reason management said it was a good time to talk about pay again is because there is a union drive going on. When the union organizers decide its time for the cards to go out management will halt pay negotiations. Then they'll spin the truth once again telling everyone they can no longer talk about pay during a union drive. This happened a couple years ago and also during the '99 alpa drive. Skywest management uses this tool to discredit the drive and they score another busted union attempt. I feel like I'm in 'ground hog day' all over again..and again...and again....

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Dearest Ron R.,

Your idea of no amendable date is great thinking.

Love and Kisses,

Dave A.

P.S. I’ll wear that outfit you loved so much next weekend on the house boat.

CC: Brad H.

Dammit Splert!! I just spit some of my beverage on the keyboard when I read that. You write any more great stuff like that and I'm going to be at Office Depot buying a new keyboard.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Dammit Splert!! I just spit some of my beverage on the keyboard when I read that. You write any more great stuff like that and I'm going to be at Office Depot buying a new keyboard.

Actually, best buy is cheaper!

 

[ArcticFlier]

The only reason management said it was a good time to talk about pay again is because there is a union drive going on. When the union organizers decide its time for the cards to go out management will halt pay negotiations. Then they'll spin the truth once again telling everyone they can no longer talk about pay during a union drive. This happened a couple years ago and also during the '99 alpa drive. Skywest management uses this tool to discredit the drive and they score another busted union attempt. I feel like I'm in 'ground hog day' all over again..and again...and again....

It's happened with each and every drive we've had, that I've seen since I was hired in '91. Nothing has changed, and nothing will with this one.

Sing it together: "Same ol' song and.............same ol' song and daaaaaaance AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


AF

 

[ASADriver]

So did you go to the LEC meeting? What did you hear?

Yes I did. There weren't many members there, so maybe you can figure out who I am. I heard that there wasn't an offer made last week by management. That contradicts what two members of the negotiating committee said. They said there was an offer, but it wasn't acceptable because of pref. bidding. Sounds like someone isn't telling the truth.

 

[Bizjet]

Yes I did. There weren't many members there, so maybe you can figure out who I am. I heard that there wasn't an offer made last week by management. That contradicts what two members of the negotiating committee said. They said there was an offer, but it wasn't acceptable because of pref. bidding. Sounds like someone isn't telling the truth.

Your saying that our volunteers are liars is not going to work. It is your inability to grasp the obvious that is causing your problem. If you continue to be unwilling to acknowledge the difference between and offer and a supposal the CNC member are probably allowing you use the two terms as one. They probably don't understand that you are then turning around and calling them liars. Whey didn't you ask for help at the meeting to clarify the differences between the two.

Is your agenda Self Serving, ANTI ALPA, Pro Management or ASA Management? I think if you take a look in a mirror you will be looking at the liar! You are truly a waste of time because there is no one lying to you just you making disparaging remarks about the ASA MEC and CNC. Why don't you volunteer to assist the union unless you are being paid to undermine it? Why didn't you tell John Rice he and his members of the CNC that they are liars? Because you are a snivelling little worm! Go hang with JoeMerchant, Ops forgot he doesn't attend the LEC meetings because he is angry that he can't run the union.

 

[SkyWstman]

I think the main reason Skywest is opening up pay negotiations is because of the unified ASA group that voted to strike. All of a sudden better offers are made to ASA, not great, but better. If Skywest management doesn't offer Skywest pilots at least the same package, the lights might come on in some of the Skywest pilot group. They may in fact see the value of having unity and some power to back it up, a union with a strike fund. This could cause the pilot group to move quickly and vote in a union. If they offer us the same package, they will likely keep the union off the property. Actually, the best thing that could happen is management offering us less than ASA.