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amcnd said:
I know you will vote NO for any Scope TA GL.. But I think over 51% or you brothers will vote yes just to keep a job..

Does that make sense? If larger RJs will allow mainline planes to be parked eventually, why would any FO (half of the pilots) and junior captains (another 25%) vote to eventually replace themselves? (the captains would be downgraded and lose cash) See, you have it wrong, but you like to gode me, which is fine. You need to work on your thought processes more. Really, think about it. Even the last 767 Captain I flew with, a reserve, told me scope was very important to him because he knew there were a lot of guys senior to him on the MD88s and 738s. He would be bumped if they had to displace him. Sorry, you have it wrong.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General:

You used to cry that the CRJ200 was a 737 replacement and needed to be restricted through tighter scope. I told you it wasn't due to seat mile costs & that 50 seat scope was a waste of negotiating capital. Now you trumpet that the RJ is dead due to seat mile costs. Delta has parked CRJ200's while those JT8D's on 737-200's continue to smoke through the Atlanta Sky.

How about you just believe me on this one - the CRJ700 & 900 is not a MD88 replacement. The E190 is close, but even it is no 737-800 / MD88 replacement. Why do you think Jet Blue runs the E190 and the A320?

General - your MEC's negotiating agenda continues to be driven by prejudice and vindictiveness insead of economics.

You are a fool if you think restricting DCI growth some how helps you get a little PIC time. When Comair struck, did it help, or hurt, your loads in CVG?
 
Interesting concept. Comair added to SKW. I wonder what the Comair folks think on a posibility of this happening? Also, anyone of you can provide with the approximate pilot group size for Comair?
 
difete said:
Interesting concept. Comair added to SKW. I wonder what the Comair folks think on a posibility of this happening? Also, anyone of you can provide with the approximate pilot group size for Comair?

I'll be the first to say it... DOH! :D

ASA and Comair pilots already agreed to it back in the day, it would be only fair...
 
difete said:
Interesting concept. Comair added to SKW. I wonder what the Comair folks think on a posibility of this happening? Also, anyone of you can provide with the approximate pilot group size for Comair?

1800ish
 
I'll be the first to say it... DOH! :D

DOH. Which Brad Holt will likely tell the ASA guys was 9/2005.
 
Jon Rivoli said:
"We have no idea what Delta is thinking regarding Comair, although if it looks like there's a deal that fits with our corporate objectives we would be open-minded," SkyWest CFO Bradford Rich said.

The idea that SKYW has "no idea what Delta is thinking re Comair" is a completely ludicrous statement; in other words a lie. The rest of the statement is true -- if there's a deal that fits the objectives of SKYW, Rich will take it. Only a fool would not.

That is contingent on Delta's ability to exit bankruptcy or at least to have the potential of doing so. In turn, Delta's survival is contingent on an agreement with its pilots. Should they walk out, Delta will cease to exist.

If Delta ceases to exist, Comair will cease to exist on the same day -- it is a wholly owned subsidiary. What's left will be a collection of unwanted airframes (and longer lines at the unemployment office). Parked airframes have little value to anyone (that's why the desert remains full of them) and corporations couldn't care less about unemployed workers.

ASA, the SKYW subsidiary, will be left with "nothing to do", i.e, gilted at the altar - out of business. So will approximately 1/2 of Skywest (that feeds Delta).

In that case, Rich will be scrambling to survive -- not worrying about how to buy anything.

We can't get to your "question" until and unless the Delta debacle is resolved. Assuming that it is resolved favorably, your question can be answered.

I restate my question.

What do they have that we might want?

160 + jets that fly for Delta. The "benefit" to Skywest isn't "Comair" per se, it is the control of Delta feed that would accrue to SKYW and the revenue potential that control would guarantee.

Should SKYW acquire CMR, it would "control" approximately 3/4 of all Delta's "regional" feed. You can pretty much bet that Rich would secure that percentage for SKYW before he signs anything (just as he did with ASA). Skywest would then have the leverage to actually negotiate with Delta, rather than be dictated to by Delta as is now the case. Such an acquisition would give Skywest (and Rich) a major power increase and a substantial cash flow/revenue increase.

Power = money and money is the only factor that "fits" the corporate objectives to which Mr. Rich refers.

The company that Rich runs is in business to make money. How that money is made is irrelevant as long as the flow keeps coming and gets bigger over time. [Airplanes, people, etc., are just tools than can be used to generate money.]

The opportunity to make more money is the "thing" that Comair has that Rich might want. That's what generates "interest" and it is also what makes "deals" gel.

Delta's desperate "struggle" is an opportunity for Rich. Should the cards line up, he will play the hand.

Should Delta collapse, its current desperate struggle will become Skywest's desperate struggle. There is no rocket science involved.

That should answer your question.
 
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Perhaps, if part of the deal included a lock on DCI flying, but just adding 160 jets isn't enough. As I've said before we already have too many 50 seaters. Also, I believe that they've had an eye opener dealing with the ASA pilot group and I think they will be pretty shy about another ALPA pilot group. Comair isn't worth enough to save Delta if the pilots Strike or even significantly help with the bankruptcy. $425 million for ASA and Comair is bigger, I can't see spending that kind of cash to get further in bed with Delta. Right now our flying is about 50/50 DAL/UAL with SkyWest about 75% UAL. ASA helped balance that out, buying Comair would unbalance it again.

Should Delta collapse you say? That is up to DALPA right now, there's no way any deal involving Comair will mitigate that. Nor could one be put together before the DALPA's contract is resolved. No one would risk that kind of money until that is resolved. Somewhere down the road perhaps involving exit financing there might be a deal to be made, but that is a long way down the road.
 
:DNot to mention the DOH merging of the seniority lists. JA would have a heart attack. ALPA would be on the property IN FORCE BABY!!
 
Exactly

Jon Rivoli said:
I can't see spending that kind of cash to get further in bed with Delta. Right now our flying is about 50/50 DAL/UAL with SkyWest about 75% UAL. ASA helped balance that out, buying Comair would unbalance it again.

CR7's from ComAir but nothing else.
 
I think a loose translation of Brad's comments is in order. Here is what I believe he was saying:

"If Delta made us an offer we couldn't possibly refuse (i.e. pay no more than the scrap metal value for Comair's 50s and get the 70's dirt cheap) then, and only then, would we consider buying Comair."
 
here is a thought,
How about SKYW gets the 70 seaters and CHQ gets the 50 seaters. CHQ has their own 70 seaters that fit well so....

hey its just an idea.

D
 
I just finished recurrent ground this week and according to Fred, a sale of Comair to an investment group is the more likely scenario. The strike taught Delta a lesson and they will always keep a diversified DCI portfolio. Giving Skywest that much Delta feed would, at some point, put them back in the same scenario as back in 2000 when Comair crippled the system. Now, the caveat was, that if Delta were that hard up for money, they would certainly have to look to sell us to another carrier. Now that there is a TA on the table for the mainline pilots, should it be voted in, that should buy us some time to finish reorganizing ourselves internally and hopefully emerge a new company, with new owners, and a whole new outlook.
 
Rogue5 said:
http://www.sltrib.com/contentlist/ci_3700563

Cleaning up on Delta SkyMiles
Labor woes: The Delta subsidiary asked a judge for the OK to void its contract with its flight attendants

By Paul Beebe
The Salt Lake Tribune

SkyWest Inc., which bought one Delta Air Lines subsidiary last year, would be open to the possibility of buying the other subsidiary if it could design a suitable deal, SkyWest's chief financial officer said Tuesday.

Last month, Delta's top financial officer said his company might explore the possibility of a sale of its regional carrier Comair to help raise money if the subsidiary could be restructured. Comair and Delta filed for bankruptcy protection in September.

"We have no idea what Delta is thinking regarding Comair, although if it looks like there's a deal that fits with our corporate objectives we would be open-minded," SkyWest CFO Bradford Rich said after speaking at the Utah chapter of the Association for Corporate Growth's annual conference in Salt Lake City.

SkyWest bought Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA) on Sept. 7, a week before Delta sought protection from its creditors. The $425 million deal turned SkyWest into the largest regional airline in the country, with almost 400 aircraft and a coast-to-coast span with operations based in St. George and Atlanta.

During his speech, Rich said the ASA acquisition brought a lot of unfamiliar attention to SkyWest, which also owns SkyWest Airlines. In light of the airline industry's troubles, the deal attracted critics who questioned whether SkyWest, based in St. George, had the "corporate personality" to make the acquisition work, he said.

The outcome apparently isn't clear. Last week, SkyWest forecast first-quarter earnings in a range trailing Wall Street's average estimate of 62 cents a share. The company cited "atypical" factors, such as a smaller performance incentive payment for failing to meet certain operational objectives. SkyWest flies for Delta and United Airlines. It didn't identify which carrier will reduce its incentive payment.

"In a couple of years, we'll see if it was worthy of the attention," Rich said.

In a related matter, SkyWest on Tuesday began the public offering of 4 million shares of its common stock at a price of $26.05 a share. The sale, expected to end Monday, should raise $99.3 million. Rich said the proceeds will be used to repay $90 million that SkyWest borrowed to finance the ASA acquisition.

SkyWest initially announced the offering a week after the stock reached a record high $32.84 a share on Nov. 11. It pulled the sale when the stock began a decline that didn't end until mid-January, when it bottomed out at $26.02.

Comair operates 871 daily flights to 108 cities in the United States, Canada and the Bahamas. The company has labor problems similar to those that Delta has with its pilots, who have threatened to strike if their contract is rejected. Comair has asked a bankruptcy judge for permission to void its contract with its unionized flight attendants and impose $8.9 million in wage cuts.

Comair says it needs to reduce the wages and benefits of 970 flight attendants as part of a plan to cut $42 million in annual costs.

Without the cut, the carrier has said it will have to cease operations. U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Adlai Hardin could rule as soon as Saturday on Comair's motion.

In the dispute between Delta and its 6,000 pilots, an arbitration panel is expected to decide Saturday whether the company can force $305 million in annual pay reductions. Pilots have promised to walk off their jobs soon if that happens. No date has been set, but the chairman of the union's executive committee has been authorized to call a strike anytime after Monday.
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A look at Comair and SkyWest Inc.

Comair

Flies for: Delta Air Lines

Headquarters: Erlanger, Ky., across the Ohio River from Cincinnati

Founded: 1977. It became a subsidiary of Delta in 2000

Employees: 6,400

Flights: 871

Cities served: 108 in the United States, Canada and the Bahamas

Customers: 13.1 million in 2005

Fleet: 169 Bombardier CRJ regional jets
SkyWest Inc.*

Flies for: Delta, United Airlines

Headquarters: St. George

Subsidiaries: SkyWest Airlines (St. George), Atlantic Southeast Airlines (Atlanta)

Founded: 1972

Employees: 14,000

Flights: 1,981

Cities served: 264 in the United States, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean

Customers: 28.6 million in 2005

Fleet: 179 Bombardier CRJ regional jets, 141 Canadair regional jets, 62 Embraer turboprops, 12 ATR turboprops

* SkyWest and ASA statistics are combined
Source: SkyWest, Comair

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