SkyWest DEN Base to be dismantled.

[BrickTop]

How long is the DEN contract with United and what is the prospective future relationship with United. Readings suggest the end is near.

 

[CoAlpha]

retard

How long is the DEN contract with United and what is the prospective future relationship with United. Readings suggest the end is near.

 

[rickair7777]

How long is the DEN contract with United and what is the prospective future relationship with United. Readings suggest the end is near.

SKW keeps getting more ex-mesa UA flying...

 

[SKYW Pilot]

What are you talking about? We don't have a specific "DEN contract." The Brasilia's were taken out of there recently because they aren't a good high density altitude aircraft, but the jet flying has been growing. Looking at your profile, I'm sure you're just trying to stir stuff up and really don't care about DEN.

 

[poor2thecore]

How long would it take someone to get over to DEN as a new-hire? What's the DOH for the junior CA?

 

[SKYW Pilot]

Looks like some new hires are getting DEN right out of class. Some are waiting 2 or 3 months.

Most junior captain in DEN is 11/04. Hope this helps.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Mark my words, Skywest is on schedule to become the next Mesa. Management has totally lost the respect/confidence of our pilot group. When the majors start hiring full steam, Skywest will be parking airplanes. In the good old days when the company got itself in a jam we would all pitch in to make it work because we felt a sense of pride/ownership. Not so anymore. They've made their bed now they've got to sleep in it. Sad, very sad.

 

[MYFpilot]

Mark my words, Skywest is on schedule to become the next Mesa. Management has totally lost the respect/confidence of our pilot group. When the majors start hiring full steam, Skywest will be parking airplanes. In the good old days when the company got itself in a jam we would all pitch in to make it work because we felt a sense of pride/ownership. Not so anymore. They've made their bed now they've got to sleep in it. Sad, very sad.

[FONT=arial, helv, swiss, tahoma, verdana]War's over, man. SAPA dropped the big one.

What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Germans? Forget it, he's rolling.

And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough . . . the tough get going.

Who's with me? Let's Go! Come on! AAAAEEEEEGGGHHHH!! [Mark Nolin runs out of the room alone; then returns] What the fuk happened to the SkyWest I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh?

"Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Mark, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. The Daves, They're a dead man! SAPA, dead! Davermeyer...

Dead! Mark's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons. But that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
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[FONT=arial, helv, swiss, tahoma, verdana]We're just the guys to do it.

Let's do it.

LET'S DO IT!

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[EngineOut]

Mark my words, Skywest is on schedule to become the next Mesa. Management has totally lost the respect/confidence of our pilot group. When the majors start hiring full steam, Skywest will be parking airplanes. In the good old days when the company got itself in a jam we would all pitch in to make it work because we felt a sense of pride/ownership. Not so anymore. They've made their bed now they've got to sleep in it. Sad, very sad.

Unfortunately, I think you're correct. Lemmings...all airlines are lemmings. It may take awhile, but they all make the exact same mistakes.

FWIW, DEN/UAX/SkyWest are not parting ways anytime soon. As Rick indicated, we're picking up UAX flying from Mesa.

To which "readings" are you referring?

 

[joeyfly55]

Looks like some new hires are getting DEN right out of class. Some are waiting 2 or 3 months.

Uh, no, started in 4/2007, still not in DEN. Awarded COS in NOVEMBER so not as fast as you might think.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Readings?

 

[SKYW Pilot]

Looks like some new hires are getting DEN right out of class. Some are waiting 2 or 3 months.

Uh, no, started in 4/2007, still not in DEN. Awarded COS in NOVEMBER so not as fast as you might think.

I didn't know they were delaying the transfers out that long. Still, six months from DOH to hold DEN isn't too bad. I've been here almost seven years and I'll have to be here another 10 to hold the domicile I want. Put your time in and you'll get what you want.

 

[fastback]

Looks like some new hires are getting DEN right out of class. Some are waiting 2 or 3 months.

Uh, no, started in 4/2007, still not in DEN. Awarded COS in NOVEMBER so not as fast as you might think.

It's confusing from looking at the awards, newhires are getting the award quickly, but they don't transfer until Oct and Nov.

 

[SKYW Pilot]

Mark my words, Skywest is on schedule to become the next Mesa. Management has totally lost the respect/confidence of our pilot group. When the majors start hiring full steam, Skywest will be parking airplanes. In the good old days when the company got itself in a jam we would all pitch in to make it work because we felt a sense of pride/ownership. Not so anymore. They've made their bed now they've got to sleep in it. Sad, very sad.

Next Mesa? I don't think I'd go that far. Yes, morale isn't what it used to be, but I'd still rather be here than any other regional. Are the majors really going to hire "full stream?" One could only hope. Call me an idiot (I'm sure you guys will), but I still have a pride of ownership in my work and my airline.

 

[inbound]

Next Mesa? I don't think I'd go that far. Yes, morale isn't what it used to be, but I'd still rather be here than any other regional. Are the majors really going to hire "full stream?" One could only hope. Call me an idiot (I'm sure you guys will), but I still have a pride of ownership in my work and my airline.

idiot

 

[SKYW Pilot]

idiot

Ahhh.... gotta love Flightinfo....

 

[Coloaviator]

My neighbor is in the training department/management at UAL and he said UAL loves Skywest. His words were "they will be in bed along time together". They really think highly of us.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

The question is whether or not Skywest can keep enough pilots around to cover all the flying. The attitude amongst the newbies and some of the oldies seems to be, "Get your time and get out!" This is a drastic change from the general attitude when I was hired. I also take pride in MY work but it's hard to ignore what you see around you.

 

[HockleyPilot]

Yes, SkyWest is becoming the next Mesa. This isn't the same company it was even 3 years ago.

Sad part is, most of the senior guys still believe it's the mom and pop operation with some metro's and a new shiny brasilia coming online.


Time for the used car salesmen to start pitchin our 08 rates. (Remember, they are up for review yearly, now).

 

[SKYW Pilot]

The question is whether or not Skywest can keep enough pilots around to cover all the flying. The attitude amongst the newbies and some of the oldies seems to be, "Get your time and get out!" This is a drastic change from the general attitude when I was hired. I also take pride in MY work but it's hard to ignore what you see around you.

I agree.

The attitude at all the regionals, though, has always been "get your time and get out." The fact that we get a ton of pilots making lateral moves from other regionals speaks volumes of the quality of our airline compared to others. At least I'm hoping it does... ok... you can call me an idiot again...

 

[Marsupial]

Looks like some new hires are getting DEN right out of class. Some are waiting 2 or 3 months.

Uh, no, started in 4/2007, still not in DEN. Awarded COS in NOVEMBER so not as fast as you might think.

it just depends on the need at the time... about 2/3 of my class got denver straight out of training last sept. i just recently saw a new hire award list and there were a ton of people assigned to denver. and i know some people that got transfers within a month. and obviously this person hasn't yet got it after 3 whole months.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

I don't call people names for having valid opinions.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Next Mesa? I don't think I'd go that far. Yes, morale isn't what it used to be, but I'd still rather be here than any other regional. Are the majors really going to hire "full stream?" One could only hope. Call me an idiot (I'm sure you guys will), but I still have a pride of ownership in my work and my airline.

You know, it's possible to "have a pride of ownership in my work", and still admit that the 0 or 1% from a company with the highest profit margins in the entire airline industry is pathetic beyond belief!

 

[ArcticFlier]

Sad part is, most of the senior guys still believe it's the mom and pop operation with some metro's and a new shiny brasilia coming online.

Most? I don't think so. Some? Definitely.

Time for the used car salesmen to start pitchin our 08 rates. (Remember, they are up for review yearly, now).

Yearly? HAHAHAHAHA! Don't hold your breath. But then again, I get your sarcasm.

 

[SKYW Pilot]

You know, it's possible to "have a pride of ownership in my work", and still admit that the 0 or 1% from a company with the highest profit margins in the entire airline industry is pathetic beyond belief!

Ummm... when did this 0-1% come into the conversation? I admit in a heartbeat that our last pay package was %&#$ and that's why I voted it down. No argument there, but I think comparing us to Mesa is pretty far fetched.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Ummm... when did this 0-1% come into the conversation? I admit in a heartbeat that our last pay package was %&#$ and that's why I voted it down. No argument there, but I think comparing us to Mesa is pretty far fetched.

Ummm, I think the 0-1% came into the conversation as proof we have been sliding from the top of the industry(years ago), in the direction of Mesa...every time management gets a chance!

 

[SKYW Pilot]

Hey, we're the ones who voted that crappy pay scale through. SAPA is the group that negotiated that scale. Last time I checked, SAPA was made up of Skywest pilots. You can't blame management for wanting to save money. We need to stick together as a group and stand up to them. We also need effective leadership. This needs to occur with or without ALPA. If we don't "unify" we're just going to be a unionized weak pilot group instead of a non-unionized weak pilot group. The vote results of our last pay package show just how divided we are and how we would sell each other out (the Brasilia pilots).

Why do you think regional airlines pay so poorly? Because they can... we're our own worst enemy. "Ooooo.... look at the shiny new jet! I'll PAY $30,000 to fly right seat in it for a year!" "I'm just here to get my time and move to a major!" There's always somebody out there ready to do your job for less pay. It sucks and I sure as heck don't know how to fix it.

 

[SKYW Pilot]

Ummm, I think the 0-1% came into the conversation as proof we have been sliding from the top of the industry(years ago), in the direction of Mesa...every time management gets a chance!

Your post sounded like you brought it up earlier in the thread. As much as I don't like the pay package, how are we "sliding in the direction of Mesa?" When I fly the 700, I'm still making almost 7% more than a Mesa Captain. We didn't go down on pay with this last package. If we were taking pay concessions, I could see your point. I know many people who have flown at Mesa, and our pay and QOL is leaps and bounds above them. Yes, there are many areas where we can improve, but I'm just not biting on the whole Mesa thing.

 

[Tarzan]

The attitude at all the regionals, though, has always been "get your time and get out." The fact that we get a ton of pilots making lateral moves from other regionals speaks volumes of the quality of our airline compared to others. At least I'm hoping it does... ok... you can call me an idiot again...

I'm not going to call you an idiot but what are you smoking? Guys are making the lateral move because of the hope for quick upgrade and the bases, not because the "Little Mormon Airline That Could" is a quality airline.

And your airline does not have the highest profit margin in the business. That one goes to ASA last quarter with Pinnacle next.

 

[ranger17]

it just depends on the need at the time... about 2/3 of my class got denver straight out of training last sept. i just recently saw a new hire award list and there were a ton of people assigned to denver. and i know some people that got transfers within a month. and obviously this person hasn't yet got it after 3 whole months.

what recent new hire class did you see that people got den?? b/c wouldn't that be awarding out of seniority if there are a bunch of us trying to get DEN? I got COS in nov and only a few from den now, but its not like they are short staffed in DEN so why award it to a new hire, when ord is soo short right now?