SkyWest deals ASA an "Ace"

[JOPILOT]

Congratulations ASA you have been dealt Brad Holt as your new CEO? Someone please tell me who thought of this brilliant move-- someone with zero management skills, given the responsibility of helping ASA strengthen its operations? Maybe this is just St. George's way of moving some stink to the other side of its ops ?

Careful folks this man is a scary human that is not to be trusted and congrats OO you might have a chance in pay talks now that he is gone :l

 

[PositionandHold]

Welcome to like two months ago.

 

[Speedtape]

Congratulations ASA you have been dealt Brad Holt as your new CEO? Someone please tell me who thought of this brilliant move-- someone with zero management skills, given the responsibility of helping ASA strengthen its operations? Maybe this is just St. George's way of moving some stink to the other side of its ops ?

Careful folks this man is a scary human that is not to be trusted and congrats OO you might have a chance in pay talks now that he is gone :l

Actually, his appointment serves two purposes. First, he fills a required position on the certificate. Next, he simply serves as a "human remote control" for the people in SGU, who are the ones that are really calling the shots.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter who serves in the position, as along as they are part of the clan and can deliver the message. He may end up being better than his predecessors, but it is doubtful that he could be worse.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Congratulations ASA you have been dealt Brad Holt as your new CEO? Someone please tell me who thought of this brilliant move-- someone with zero management skills, given the responsibility of helping ASA strengthen its operations? Maybe this is just St. George's way of moving some stink to the other side of its ops ?

Careful folks this man is a scary human that is not to be trusted and congrats OO you might have a chance in pay talks now that he is gone :l

Since when did "Zero Management skills" stop ASA from appointing someone? Bouyyyyyy......

 

[WalterSobchak]

Ahhh, atlcrashpad...you make my day sometimes.

 

[USCtrojan]

Congratulations ASA you have been dealt Brad Holt as your new CEO? Someone please tell me who thought of this brilliant move-- someone with zero management skills, given the responsibility of helping ASA strengthen its operations? Maybe this is just St. George's way of moving some stink to the other side of its ops ?

Careful folks this man is a scary human that is not to be trusted and congrats OO you might have a chance in pay talks now that he is gone :l

Unlinke OO, ASA has a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT. In that LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT, ASA pilots have never agreed to fly 90 seat aircraft for 50 seat pay. So the pay issue is dead. So far, since Rico's been at ASA, it's been pretty status quo. Some changes have been made, with I would guess a lot more to follow. Some more poor folks are heading to Atlanta from St. George. He's issued a few statements to the rank and file I have so far been impressed with. We will see if he backs them up over time. When our performance improves, ASA's profitability will do likewise--exponentially. We are already a money tree, add a decent operation on top of that and you have a ridiculous profit machine. Staffing will be a challenge in 2008. I will tell you, I would much rather have Uncle Rico then that idiot Lebrick.

Trojan

 

[Caspian27]

Unlinke OO, ASA has a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT. In that LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT, ASA pilots have never agreed to fly 90 seat aircraft for 50 seat pay. So the pay issue is dead.

OO pilots don't fly 90 seat aircraft...we do have 86 seat aircraft that are configured with 76 seats, which is paid higher than the 50 seat rate.

Ask any Mesa pilot how much "legally binding contract" means when management is totally inept.

"We see this issue as a gray area....grieve it....."

 

[outtahere]

You have an override, like that hasn't been pointed out before! No skywest people should be on here trying to compare what they have over anyone. As far as I'm concerned, I would almost take a Mesa scumbag over a skywest parasite.

 

[USCtrojan]

OO pilots don't fly 90 seat aircraft...we do have 86 seat aircraft that are configured with 76 seats, which is paid higher than the 50 seat rate.

Ask any Mesa pilot how much "legally binding contract" means when management is totally inept.

"We see this issue as a gray area....grieve it....."

How about asking an ASA pilot? That's really the argument here, isn't it? You do have an override, it's not much, but a payraise is coming. You're welcome for that, since you didn't get it on your own, it came at the hands of ASA's fight.

Trojan

 

[goahead]

Since when did "Zero Management skills" stop ASA from appointing someone? Bouyyyyyy......

TRUE TRUE

 

[JoeMerchant]

OO pilots don't fly 90 seat aircraft...we do have 86 seat aircraft that are configured with 76 seats, which is paid higher than the 50 seat rate.

Ask any Mesa pilot how much "legally binding contract" means when management is totally inept.

"We see this issue as a gray area....grieve it....."

Now you've done it..... You've taken an ALPA battle cry and shot holes in it...... Rez. will be here to admonish you shortly......

 

[JoeMerchant]

How about asking an ASA pilot? That's really the argument here, isn't it? You do have an override, it's not much, but a payraise is coming. You're welcome for that, since you didn't get it on your own, it came at the hands of ASA's fight.

Trojan

While it is true that some ALPA rates have helped the Skywest pilots, it is equally true that many ALPA rates have hurt us here at ASA.....

Mesa, PCL, Mesaba, PSA, and mainline ALPA 70-90 seat rates have done harm to us and our rates....

There are more ALPA carriers bringing our rates down than there are ALPA rates bringing the Skywest rates up......

 

[Gnarloooo]

SkyWest deals ASA an "Ace"

More like an ACEHOLE...

 

[USCtrojan]

While it is true that some ALPA rates have helped the Skywest pilots, it is equally true that many ALPA rates have hurt us here at ASA.....

Mesa, PCL, Mesaba, PSA, and mainline ALPA 70-90 seat rates have done harm to us and our rates....

There are more ALPA carriers bringing our rates down than there are ALPA rates bringing the Skywest rates up......

Can't really help those other Carriers Joe. We can do our best to secure a great Contract within our own abilities/negotiating. ASA cannot get a better Contract for Pinnacle, Comair, Mesa, Air Willy, or anyone for that matter. We can only do what we can and hope for the best for others. I would say Delta Mainline has done more to hurt our rates than any other Regional Carrier.

Trojan

 

[USCtrojan]

Congratulations ASA you have been dealt Brad Holt as your new CEO? Someone please tell me who thought of this brilliant move-- someone with zero management skills, given the responsibility of helping ASA strengthen its operations? Maybe this is just St. George's way of moving some stink to the other side of its ops ?

Careful folks this man is a scary human that is not to be trusted and congrats OO you might have a chance in pay talks now that he is gone :l

Was just informed by my contact that Mr. Holt, since he has taken over, has been bombarded with many "higher ups" telling him the Company's problems stem from the Pilot ranks. His response so far, has been something to the effect of.....That's absolutely NOT TRUE. I expect a lot of positive changes from this man. Thank you Jerry and the boys for sending him over. I believe Mr. Holt is the best thing that has happened to ASA in a very long time. We shall see.

Trojan

 

[JoeMerchant]

Can't really help those other Carriers Joe. We can do our best to secure a great Contract within our own abilities/negotiating. ASA cannot get a better Contract for Pinnacle, Comair, Mesa, Air Willy, or anyone for that matter. We can only do what we can and hope for the best for others. I would say Delta Mainline has done more to hurt our rates than any other Regional Carrier.

Trojan

I'm not saying we can do anything for those other carriers...... but we have to compete with them for flying as does Skywest..... If ALPA really wanted to change things, they would work on true "brand scope" so that we don't compete for the work within a brand....

This is an ALPA problem, not a Skywest pilots problem..... They aren't the cause of the competition, they are simply the competition.....

Maybe we could take a leadership role and welcome the Skywest pilots as part of the team and work on the scope issues together..... If ALPA can't do it, maybe we can do it without ALPA.....

One list at Skywest Inc.... with or without ALPA......

 

[USCtrojan]

I'm not saying we can do anything for those other carriers...... but we have to compete with them for flying as does Skywest..... If ALPA really wanted to change things, they would work on true "brand scope" so that we don't compete for the work within a brand....

This is an ALPA problem, not a Skywest pilots problem..... They aren't the cause of the competition, they are simply the competition.....

Maybe we could take a leadership role and welcome the Skywest pilots as part of the team and work on the scope issues together..... If ALPA can't do it, maybe we can do it without ALPA.....

One list at Skywest Inc.... with or without ALPA......

I agree with you to a point, as always Joe. We do have to compete with those others. I am in favor of OneList, as you are well aware of. I wasn't at ASA for the first 2 Contracts, but without a shadow of a doubt can tell you or anybody that ALPA was necessary under the Leadership of John and George. I would be COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF DECERTIFYING ALPA. However, we would have to organize, campaign and bring in a Regional Union that could represent all of us collectively (at the Regional level). I do not support a non-union status at the Regional Level. Can we get both? Very much doubt it. What do you think?

Trojan

 

[shamrock]

I expect a lot of positive changes from this man. Thank you Jerry and the boys for sending him over. I believe Mr. Holt is the best thing that has happened to ASA in a very long time.

Trojan

Optimism IS NOT ALLOWED here at ASA.

You're fired, you turncoat.

 

[Gandalf]

July 2004 - ".... Durable Language – The Executive Board indicated its disappointment with
the lack of even any type of response from Management regarding this proposal. As per the instruction from the Representative Board, the Durable Language proposal was resubmitted to Management. Brad Holt indicated that nothing in that proposal can be agreed to at this time; that the Company will never sign a document that restricts them from doing business. We suggested a statement that would ensure that Management would do everything possible to protect our seniority in the event of a merger, buyout, etc. That was also met with resistance. Brad would not give us any indication that any type of document with wording about seniority protection would ever be signed. He does not want to give this pilot group a false hope or sense of security that seniority would be the controlling factor in such an event. Brad mentioned that it should be enough that Management has in the past done their best to protect pilot seniority and that signed statements and commitments do not have to be produced. He indicated that there might very well be the possibility sometime in the future that senior Management will do what ever it takes to keep the airline growing and that in order to do so there are no guarantees that seniority will absolutely be protected....

....Current Management Philosophy - As per Brad Holt, the directive that we received during this Flight Ops. Meeting was no new or existing policy will be implemented or changed unless it is a benefit to the Company (cost wash or savings) AND at the same time a benefit to the crewmember (quality of life improvement and/or more pay as a result of more productivity. Brad mentioned that it cannot cost the Company a “single penny more”. Brad said that he has no problem paying pilots more money as long as they work for it. That is how pilots will make more money in these difficult times, not in wage increases."

Good luck guys. Good thing you have that contract.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

July 2004 - ".... Durable Language – The Executive Board indicated its disappointment with
the lack of even any type of response from Management regarding this proposal. As per the instruction from the Representative Board, the Durable Language proposal was resubmitted to Management. Brad Holt indicated that nothing in that proposal can be agreed to at this time; that the Company will never sign a document that restricts them from doing business. We suggested a statement that would ensure that Management would do everything possible to protect our seniority in the event of a merger, buyout, etc. That was also met with resistance. Brad would not give us any indication that any type of document with wording about seniority protection would ever be signed. He does not want to give this pilot group a false hope or sense of security that seniority would be the controlling factor in such an event. Brad mentioned that it should be enough that Management has in the past done their best to protect pilot seniority and that signed statements and commitments do not have to be produced. He indicated that there might very well be the possibility sometime in the future that senior Management will do what ever it takes to keep the airline growing and that in order to do so there are no guarantees that seniority will absolutely be protected....

....Current Management Philosophy - As per Brad Holt, the directive that we received during this Flight Ops. Meeting was no new or existing policy will be implemented or changed unless it is a benefit to the Company (cost wash or savings) AND at the same time a benefit to the crewmember (quality of life improvement and/or more pay as a result of more productivity. Brad mentioned that it cannot cost the Company a “single penny more”. Brad said that he has no problem paying pilots more money as long as they work for it. That is how pilots will make more money in these difficult times, not in wage increases."

Good luck guys. Good thing you have that contract.

Don't try and "sugarcoat" it like that for them!