Skywest crossassigning CRJ200/700

[vc10]

Aviation Daily article says Skywest is crossassigning all pilots to fly both the CRJ200 and the CRJ700. There will be no specific pool of CRJ700 pilots.

They can do this, at the moment, because it's the same pay scale for both aircraft (at least until the 18 month minideal is up).

Sounds like Skywest wants it to always be that way.

How do Mesa and Skywest 70-seat rates compare?

 

[MILF Hunter]

When your 18th month is up, Skywest will still have the same payscale so you wont have to worry about it.

 

[nimtz]

When your 18th month is up, Skywest will still have the same payscale so you wont have to worry about it.

At least they got the growth, right!?!

 

[sstearns2]

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"They can do this, at the moment, because it's the same pay scale for both aircraft"

Eventaully all the crews will be qualified in both airplanes. This has nothing to do with our current or future pay scales. The idea I keep hearing from the SAPA leadership is simply an hourly override above the RJ50 for the RJ70.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that the RJ70 rates will be split in some manner with our next pay agreement. Of course, if the union dirve is sucessful then we will be stuck with our current agreement (minus dues) for a couple years at least.



Scott

 

[w4mch]

Re: ....

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Of course, if the union dirve is sucessful then we will be stuck with our current agreement (minus dues) for a couple years at least.



Scott [/B]

If this is the pervasive attitude at Skywest you won't have to "worry" about "loosing" 1.9% of your pay. Instead you will be subject to the whims of management forever.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you guys got big jets (73/bus) you would be flying them for the same rj rates you get now. Right?

I agree that ALPA has a long way to go in representing regional pilots fairly, but it is still better than having an in house agreement that is subject to amendment at the call of management.

 

[Chairman]

We have a seperate pay scales for the 737 or equilvent

 

[nimtz]

We have a seperate pay scales for the 737 or equilvent

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I'm sure they it's as equally impressive as your 70 seat pay scale.

 

[sstearns2]

Re: Re: ....

Hello,

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you guys got big jets (73/bus) you would be flying them for the same rj rates you get now. Right?"

Wrong.


"I agree that ALPA has a long way to go in representing regional pilots fairly, but it is still better than having an in house agreement that is subject to amendment at the call of management."

The proposed Skywest union (UPA) has nothing whatever to do with ALPA. Also, UPA dues are proposed to be only 1% not the 1.9% that ALPA uses. They have a budget on their website and I would be interested to hear the thoughts of those of us with experience in those matters.

We've had the same management for over 20 years and they do not have a history of randomly changing our agreements according to their whims. I would be 100% for a union if they did. Management can still 'amend' legal contracts at their whim, for example Freedom Air, no furlough clauses, and seniority integration. The strength of a contract has everything to do with the integrity of the parties involved and much less to do with legal recourse.

The fact of the matter is that if we get a union right now we are stuck with the current pay package for several years. We also get to pay for a bunch of lawyers to work out a contract that may not even be as good as the agreement we could get less than a year from now without a union.

I believe that the pilots working (on their own time) for UPA are honestly doing what they feel is best for the pilot group and I appreciate that. I just don't think the proposed union will be able to deliver on its promises.

Scott

 

[General Lee]

I remember stating that "within 18 months" everybody would be doing what you are doing, and there would be no raise. Your decision to fly up to 99 seats for 50 seat wages has hurt the regional industry. Next your management will say that Delta is now requesting that Skywest receive even less per flight segment, and that might result in some sort of paycut, or atleast no raise. It is called "current market conditions", and when things improve, there will be more excuses. I loved it when Skywest announced the very next morning after your vote at 7AM that they had worked out an agreement with UAL. That was hillarious. Those lawyers must have been up all night long working very hard on that ellusive deal........right. But hey, you guys will grow---if Mesa doesn't get ACA.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[12GO]

Is SAPA certified with the NMB to represent the pilots at Skywest for collective bargaining or is that the UPA concept?

 

[SkyWstman]

sstearns2, I have been at Skywest for quite awhile and have pretty much believed in our management team. I came from an ALPA background and was pro-union for some time. After our first contract I was sorely dissappointed. There were some good things however. Well, that company went under and I got on with Skywest. It's been a great ride for all the years I've been here but things are changing quickly. There have been promises made and broken. Last union drive they said they would pay us at the top of the industry, now they say they are going to have the lowest cost payscales in the industry or something along those lines. They also said if we voted for the TA we would not regret it. Well, I'm still waiting for the big news that we won't regret. The point I'm trying to make is this. We have to do something to stop the erosion. I know ALPA would be a mistake for us due to their allegience to the major partners. It appears UPA is our only other option that makes any sense at all. The longer we wait the worse off we will be. I said earlier that there were some good things that happened when I was ALPA before. The respect we got as pilots from management was very noticeable. Used to be a guy would get yanked in the office for any little thing. That stopped almost immediately. Other stuff as well. There is a sleeping giant in our group that needs to wake up.

 

[av8tor02]

ALL I GOT to say is that SkyWest in one of the BEST regionals in the WORLD....and we WILL prevail in the end. Best PAY....best attitude and BEST morale. JUST WAIT AND SEE! I BELIEVE!!!!

 

[bladeusa]

ALL I GOT to say is that SkyWest in one of the BEST regionals in the WORLD....and we WILL prevail in the end. Best PAY....best attitude and BEST morale. JUST WAIT AND SEE! I BELIEVE!!!!

best pay???????

that high altitude in SLC must be affecting your brain.. ive been at comair less than 4.5 years.. im making 72.06 an hour, 1.65 per diem and i hold a line....

do the math...

you tools are willing to fly the 70 for less than our 50 wages... and a 99 seat ac for less than our 70 rates.. sell outs.. so much for raising the bar for the next ppl to negotiate pay rates..and u wonder why mgt has us bidding to the bottom... thats one race i want no part of... put that low ball bid in.. take the future rjs.. u already have the practice.. remember who took our RJ's durring the strike..

 

[JBcrjca]

Why does this subject keep getting brought up time and time again? It's old news and has been beaten to death. But the Comair and ASA guys keep forgetting one thing - wholly owned vs. contract carriers. SkyWest/Air Wisconsin/ACA/CHQ etc are independently owned, they HAVE to bid aggressively in order to keep their contracts intact. If not, they risk losing that flying altogether. It sucks, but that seems to be the reality. ASA, CMR, Eagle, Horizon, etc. are wholly owned...they're guaranteed a feeder contract for their owners. There's little risk of that contract just evaporating (USAirways' actions with PDT/ALG/PSA is a whole other story). But of course when an independent puts in a lower bid to keep a contract, the mainline will ask the same of their wholly owned regionals. It's part of the Management 101 handbook...divide and conquer all pilot groups. By the way, I voted no on that piece of crap agreement. Also, I agree that av8tor02 appears to be suffering from hypoxia. Things aren't that wonderful at SkyWest.

Nice work bringing up the strike subject, Blade. From what I recall, SkyWest didn't take Comair jets during the strike. Comair returned them to Bombardier and they were placed on the open market. SkyWest got a deal on them to advance the delivery schedule. Somewhat similar to Delta, Northwest, Midway, etc. operating ex-Eastern equipment. Eastern had shut down, but weren't their pilots technically still on strike? Aircraft on the open market are fair game. One more thing: would it kill you to use capital letters to start a sentence as well as proper punctuation instead of ... between each thought? It's just a thought, but then again, grammar and spelling were never strong points on Flightinfo.com.

 

[bladeusa]

im def guilty of poor grammer spelling and punctuation. Have to blame it on Boston public schools or, my U of Utah education. Maybe Sally Struthers has one of those courses i can take.. GED.. woodworking.. tv/vcr repair.. basic english.. learn the things i missed while i skipped class to ski.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

I'm still trying to figure out bladeUSA's math. He's throwing punches, but I still haven't met anyone at SkyWest who paid $10,500 for his job.

 

[nimtz]

ALL I GOT to say is that SkyWest in one of the BEST regionals in the WORLD....and we WILL prevail in the end. Best PAY....best attitude and BEST morale. JUST WAIT AND SEE! I BELIEVE!!!!

'We will prevail in the end.' Is your management seeking to lead you out of Egypt to Palestine or something. Get a life man. Good koolaid out there in Utah...

 

[CrakpipeOvrheat]

Follow your faith man

What a crock!

 

[av8tor02]

Obviosly you all misunderstood.....within time......things will get better at SkyWest.....we will get great pay.....better schedules....bigger A/C.....and better morale......all WITHIN time. So no hypoxia here. Just BELIEVE!

 

[Jeepman]

. Your decision to fly up to 99 seats for 50 seat wages has hurt the regional industry [/B]

General,

Are we getting 99 seat RJ's?? I didn't think so unless you know something I don't. IMO the 99 seat RJ pay package & 100-150 seat pay package was put into place a backup in case Ted got swallowed up by their starfish (chapter 7) and SkyWest could move quickly to become a LCC. The pay rates suck, but how much does it cost to start a new LCC?

As for all you high & mighty Comair people,you guys don't get it. you are owned by Delta and are not an independently owned subsidiary that can be cut at any moment. We are having to compete with Chataqua on the DAL side, and Mesa on the UAL side.

As for UPA I berlieve they will win the vote from the pilots because of the recent deterioration of morale due to managements comments before and after the TA. ALOT of people have changed their mind about Unions...