skywest atl base will grow

[PBRstreetgang]

Welll,
I told you guys when SKYW bought ASA, watch out for SKYW mgmt is the shrewdest, tightest, money grubbers out there. Some insisted SKYW was gonna come in and make changes for the better, well did they? Watch out, the best is yet to come, if they can make $.05 per by telling you warm and fuzzy bedtime stories they will. Like 'em or not, them boys can make money, they been dooin' it for 35 years, and making record profits during the worst era for commercial aviation. Death by 1000 cuts is being played out, and all you do is run to the drugstore and buy more bandaids.
Oh well, the dice just rolled snake eyes and noone wants to admit that they lost.
I am truly sorry for your loss of fortune, our dose is coming next, and I am preparing to be able to walk away without looking back.
Ola
PBR

 

[Tomct]

I am truly sorry for your loss of fortune, our dose is coming next, and I am preparing to be able to walk away without looking back.
Ola
PBR[/quote]

Yeah, hope all of your Skywst peeps are paying attention because the kool aid bowl is about EMPTY!! We have all screwed ourselves by not merging lists!

 

[~~~^~~~]

PBR - You are right. I'm frankly surprised by the way SkyWest has managed the ASA "asset." Things were better, much better, under Delta.

 

[Tomct]

PBR - You are right. I'm frankly surprised by the way SkyWest has managed the ASA "asset." Things were better, much better, under Delta.

AMEN BROTHER!!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

.......

 

[Nightrain_080]

Nirvana

I am truly sorry for your loss of fortune, our dose is coming next, and I am preparing to be able to walk away without looking back.
Ola
PBR

Yeah, hope all of your Skywst peeps are paying attention because the kool aid bowl is about EMPTY!! We have all screwed ourselves by not merging lists![/quote]

Why didn't ASA and Comair merge when both were owned by Delta after all the years together?

If there is a correct answer then let me know.

 

[MELIT]

I am truly sorry for your loss of fortune, our dose is coming next, and I am preparing to be able to walk away without looking back.
Ola
PBR

Yeah, hope all of your Skywst peeps are paying attention because the kool aid bowl is about EMPTY!! We have all screwed ourselves by not merging lists![/quote]

Who the hell would want to merge with you?

 

[rf285]

I find it very unfortunate that you skywest guys are rolling in the misfortune of others. Have fun in your barbie jet for the rest of your careers.

 

[ohplease!]

I find it very unfortunate that you skywest guys are rolling in the misfortune of others. Have fun in your barbie jet for the rest of your careers.

thats pretty much the same idiotic statement that has been made about MESA...the fact is pilots from both of those airlines are being hired at other "mainline" airlines at the same rate as from ASA, COEX etc.

The only pilots staying at ANY regional are the ones staying by choice (for whatever their personal reasons) or the ones with questionable backgrounds.

Unless you're refering to Comair pilots applying to Delta, NOBODY cares where you flew your "barbie" jet. If you've punched the right tickets ( 121 PIC ), it doesn't matter where you came from.

 

[rf285]

How is that idiotic? You see nothing but gloating from the skywest (originals) on this board. I know that they are not representative of the whole group, but you sure don't see a lot of support of their ASA "brothers" from the silent majority (I hope). In regards to the Mesa statement, I have seen a lot more mesa guys than skywest guys at my airline get hired. Just an observation.

 

[USCtrojan]

A couple things come to mind here. First off, if you run Skywest Inc, and want to prove to your own pilots that you don't need a Union.....Well what do you do? You beat down hard the Union carrier. You beat them down and you continue to beat them down over and over and over until you get that Union carrier to lower their expectations. Secondly, there's a pilot shortage. 2 more Major Carriers will be hiring by the end of this year. That's what, another 800 pilots just this year alone most likely moving on. Right now, ASA and Skywest are filling classes because of all the flight schools graduation (that's what I heard from recruiting). Other Regionals are offering cash bonus incentives and other creative options to lure pilots. Things will not continue long as all the Majors continue to hire. I'm not saying I have a crystal ball, all I'm saying is that things are not exactly what they seem. Look at it from a business owners standpoint vs. an employee standpoint. It becomes a lot clearer. Jerry A. is Union Busting. And he's the best in the business at doing it. No need to get mad, get even. Jerry will continue to beat us down, more and more.....until we have a contract.

Trojan

 

[enuffalready]

I Don't Get It

As as ASA guy, will someone please explain to me why we are still negotiating after.. 3, or 4 or 5 or however many years? Set a deadline and strike? we are losing more and more leverage every day. Just doesn't make sense. lets put an end to this nonsense

 

[Tarzan]

As as ASA guy, will someone please explaine to me why we are still negotiating after.. 3, or 4 or 5 or however many years? Set a deadline and strike? we are losing more and more leverage every day. Just doesn't make sense. lets put an end to this nonsense

1) When the contract became amendable, the union dragged its feet because the market was not conducive for a better contract.
2) When the union was ready to move, the company dragged its feet because they knew they were going to be sold to SW Inc.
3) Now, Jerry is union busting.

Hope that answers your question.

 

[SKYW Pilot]

I've mentioned it a few times on this board how I support ASA. It makes it a little hard to give the "love", though, when we're constantly bashed on here. Nobody's gloating, but I do enjoy working at Skywest. I'm sorry, but I do. Call me a kool aid drinker... whatever. I made good money last year (in many cases more money than my friends at other majors and regionals), had plenty of days off, and I love my fellow co-workers. YES, we do have room for improvement, but show me a company that doesn't. Almost all my "gloating" posts on here have been in response to people calling us scabs (don't get that one), Skyworst, whores, etc...

I support my fellow pilots. I've voted down every pay agreement at Skywest because I thought they sucked. I just went down to Dallas and marched with APA at their rally. And next time ASA is picketing, I'll be right there with them. So back off and give us a break. We're not going to get anywhere in this industry with the crappy attitudes we have towards each other.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Trojan and Enuff:

We can't really do anything. The NMB has to authorize any job action. In the mean time we are professional pilots.

Jerry Atkin and Delta hold the cards and have succeeded in improving their hand as time has passed. Could they replace ASA at the rate of 4 or 5 airplanes a month? Clearly the answer is yes and in fact if you look at ASA's history as a percentage of DCI flying they have replaced ASA at a rate of 4 or 5 airplanes a month.

I keep looking for some objective sign which would indicate ASA has a future. It would seem management would want to offer a carrot to get the contract done, as they did with our 700's and 900's that ultimately went to SkyWest. But we were told that when those opportunities were gone they would be lost, forever.

Look at the reconstruction of ASA's GO. The people who had a career invested in ASA are gone - replaced by people who's interest in ASA is, dare I say, temporary.

My guess is that Jerry Atkin was in horse trading mode when he offered those airplanes and he wanted ASA pilots to "invest" in their growth. I think both Mr. Atkin and ALPA failed to fully appreciate how the other operates. ALPA moves extreemly slowly and carefully. ALPA is a political entity which above all seems to value conservative groupthink. Jerry Atkin is much more of a mover and shaker who tells you how he sees it and moves on to the next opportunity, quickly, as is necessary in the tough business of running an airline. Mr. Atkin probably could have won that round by working the crew lounge and giving honest forward looking briefings about his plans, but his plan B was already ready and he candidly did not have to spend his time concerned about the opinions of ASA pilots & their representatives at the bargaining table.

SkyWest management has failed to "establish a crew environment" by "crew briefings." From a CRM perspective, SkyWest's management of ASA's pilots simply could not be worse. However, Mr. Atkin is a smart guy. My best guess for the lack of a briefing is that either he is not entirely sure what Delta's plans for ASA are, or (and most likely) the plan has not changed since he was in our crew lounge. That plan was for ASA to undercut his SkyWest pilots and get their airplanes, or if the ASA pilots stood firm to transfer ASA's airplanes to SkyWest. Why brief your crew if your plan is to end their employment and you already have a cheaper replacement lined up?

Just like the senior management at United told the reporters for Dateline - "If the employees knew that was the plan they would have all quit. We were not ready for that yet." At any rate, that is my theory and I'm planning my life on the assumption that ASA pilots may not be here in the long term. I know it a pessimistic view and I hope it isn't true, but we are pilots and have to plan for contingencies.

It truly, truly, sucks. I did not come to ASA as a stepping stone, but like the guys who worked at the other "best regional airline" ACA/Indy most of us will find better jobs even if we don't really want to. Heck, heard Gary Hall got a great job with Virgin - big pay, relocation pacakge, the works. Good for him.

~~~^~~~

 

[HockleyPilot]

I wasn't gloating, just asking a serious question. If I was to commute to ATL, would I get the same courtesy you got in SLC? I doubt it. People going through ATL already are being given a hard time. Asa has never wanted to be our friend, thats' why they didn't want to talk to any of our pilots (about anything concerning a merger or aquisition) before SKW aquired ASA. Now you talk ******************** 75% of the time and yet on the other hand want me to quit my job or stick my neck out so you can benefit. Yet, you tell ME that we are in this all together. Yea right. You just want a magic pill that will take everything away. Good luck with that.
I don't agree with what is happening, but pilots don't control the company. I have voted no for everything as well and will continue to do so till something that represents a decent offer is presented.
Until then, I will continue to fly with ASA Fo's that say it's 100 times better here than at ASA.

 

[SnowBoardBum]

Has anyone read SkyWest Incs 10K? This is from page 58 under the Notes to Consolidated Financial Statements. Kinda interesting how they can transfer lease and ownership rights of aircraft under the agreement.

In connection with the acquisition of ASA, SkyWest Airlines, ASA and Delta entered into Delta Connection Agreements whereby SkyWest Airlines and ASA agreed to provide regional airline service in the Delta flight system through SkyWest Airlines and ASA. Among other provisions, the Delta Connection Agreements provide for the transfer of certain ownership and lease rights among SkyWest Airlines, ASA, Delta and Comair Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Delta (“Comair”). As part of the Delta Connection Agreements, SkyWest Airlines, ASA, Delta and/or Comair, as applicable, have terminated two master sublease agreements with respect to ten Bombardier CRJ200s and transferred to Delta ten CRJ200s financed in part by an affiliate of Bombardier, and ASA and Delta entered into a sublease agreement whereby ASA is subleasing the ten CRJ200s from Delta.

 

[wms]

I wasn't gloating, just asking a serious question. If I was to commute to ATL, would I get the same courtesy you got in SLC? I doubt it. People going through ATL already are being given a hard time. Asa has never wanted to be our friend, thats' why they didn't want to talk to any of our pilots (about anything concerning a merger or aquisition) before SKW aquired ASA. Now you talk ******************** 75% of the time and yet on the other hand want me to quit my job or stick my neck out so you can benefit. Yet, you tell ME that we are in this all together. Yea right. You just want a magic pill that will take everything away. Good luck with that.
I don't agree with what is happening, but pilots don't control the company. I have voted no for everything as well and will continue to do so till something that represents a decent offer is presented.
Until then, I will continue to fly with ASA Fo's that say it's 100 times better here than at ASA.

I hope we all can be professional and courteous. But the fact is ASA going to SLC didn't involve taking airplanes, and it was the result of our best base being closed. SKYW is coming to ATL with -900s that "supposedly" were slated to come to ASA. JA, aka Lorenzo jr., is using the SKYW pilots to slap their fellow pilots in the face. That's a hard one to swallow.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I hope we all can be professional and courteous. But the fact is ASA going to SLC didn't involve taking airplanes, and it was the result of our best base being closed. SKYW is coming to ATL with -900s that "supposedly" were slated to come to ASA. JA, aka Lorenzo jr., is using the SKYW pilots to slap their fellow pilots in the face. That's a hard one to swallow.

I'm just curious what might make you think the Skyw pilots can do anything about this?

 

[Tomct]

Why didn't ASA and Comair merge when both were owned by Delta after all the years together?

If there is a correct answer then let me know.[/quote]

They actually had the lists merged by DOH....uuhhhhh, aaaaaaahhhhhh dare I say it, and it would have worked out great but Delta kept blocking the merging of the lists. Too bad, we could have had one HUGE pilot group and been the big dog on the block for all the Delta flying.