SkyWest Anouncement

[John Pennekamp]

It's not about thick-skin. I could care less about that...

I just want a logical, clear, well-pointed debate about it. Some of them are obviously incapable of that.

All they know is, "My airline is thew bestest airline EVER!!! And every other airline should die a horrible death!!! Because we're 'this' or 'that.'" I think the attitude of "we're better than you" looking both ways is a bit childish and immature.

I don't wear the rose-colored glasses. I can look objectively and know that life is not perfect at OO or EV. In the end, it doesn't really matter. I'm going to fly my plane and be the best pilot that I can whether that plane says SkyWest or ASA.

My point was, why would SKYW Inc. management kill their baby? The one that they've nurtured for 35 years?

You're on the wrong site for that. FI is all about mud slinging and immaturity. It's more fun that way.

If you want a serious conversation, try the airlinepilotcentral.com message boards.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You're on the wrong site for that. FI is all about mud slinging and immaturity. It's more fun that way.

If you want a serious conversation, try the airlinepilotcentral.com message boards.

Penispump,
Those guys are pussies, anyone can debate using logic and research, us here at FI are the monkeys throwing poop through the bars. You wanna go to Harvard and watch geeks study in the library or you wanna go to the zoo and watch monkeys throw turds at the housewives and their kids?
PBR

 

[John Pennekamp]

Penispump,
Those guys are pussies, anyone can debate using logic and research, us here at FI are the monkeys throwing poop through the bars. You wanna go to Harvard and watch geeks study in the library or you wanna go to the zoo and watch monkeys throw turds at the housewives and their kids?
PBR

Um, yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying... thanks for the example.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Jeeesh,
Lighten up Francis, you are gonna stoke out if you don't laugh a bit.
Here come one with peanuts and corn!
PBR

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

why would SKYW Inc. management kill their baby? The one that they've nurtured for 35 years?

I will start out by saying I don't think that this will happen nor do I want it to, but I am ammused by how you Skywest guys talk about your airline like this. ASA could just become "Skywest" over night. If JA chose he could faze OO out and keep ASA as the new "Skywest", thus keeping his 35 year old "baby" alive and well. If it were economically better for JA and the gang they would do just that.

 

[ehaecker]

Skywest has owned ASA for 35 years??? WOW! I could have sworn Delta owned us at some point...

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

The point is that Skywest is just a name.

 

[freeflyer14]

I think it was WN that came up with an idea to use the pushback tugs to drag the plane all the way out to the runway at airports with large delays to save jet fuel and engine run time. The saving was in the millions.

Was Richard Branson's idea, not Southwest.

 

[Gandalf]

If Southwest wanted to decrease their fuel consumption they would develop a procedure allowing their pilots to single engine taxi; not find a code share partner to operate RJs.

Yes, but that would mean they would have to give up the 80 knot taxi. Not going to happen.

 

[TAWS]

Actually, the fuel burns of an EMB170/190 and a 737 are pretty similar. The difference lies in the crew costs. If there is a shifting of flying to the regionals (and there better not be) it isn't because they burn less gas.

Really?

Ring............Ring..........
"Hi, Bryan Bedford speaking"
"Hey, Bryan, I heard that the 170 burns the same as a 737. Why don't we just operate 737s, with 70 seats in them and fill the other half of the plane with cargo and other sh!t that makes money? After all, I heard on FI that scope will remain the same - everyone's talking about it!"
"That's a great idea, what does a 737 cost these days?"
"I dunno, but UAL might be parking a bunch of them because of the cost of gas and they also want more 170s. We could just start flying the ones that they park - they burn the same as a 170"
"If they burn the same, and UAL owns them outright, why would they park them - they also carry alot more peeps = more revenue"
"Like I said, someone on FI said they burn the same amount of gas"
"O.K., I'll get right on that"

 

[Weasil]

That would make sense if it weren't completely wrong. Small jets burn far more fuel than larger ones on a CASM basis, which is all that matters. If Delta could fill up an A380 from DAY to CVG they would put an A380 on that route. Unfortunately demand for DAY-CVG doesn't warrant an Airbus.

If an airline really wanted to curb fuel costs it would modernize the fleet by replacing 50 seat RJs with large turboprops and pressure Boeing and Airbus to build a replacement for the 737 and A320 with modern (read: fuel saving) technology. There is a company who is developing a system to taxi airplanes with an electric motor. How much fuel is wasted each year taxiing to and from runways? Anyway the point is there are plenty ways to modernize the national fleet to save fuel costs, but airlines in this country aren't progressive.

Actually I think we are saying the same thing. I never said that "small jets" burn less fuel. I said regional aircraft - i was referring to those same large turboprops you are. I guess I just didn't make that clear.

And I wasn't referring to the replacement of mainline 737's at all, I was thinking more along the lines of the MD80 and DC9 fleets that I believe will be replaced by large regional jets. In other words I think we are going to see a decrease in the size of mainline domestic fleets and a further increase in the regional fleets. In the long term though something will have to give because as oil supplies disappear over the next 20-30 years oil will become too expensive to use for aircraft at all. I certainly don't think we are ever going to see things return to the way they were last century.

 

[Weasil]

Actually, the fuel burns of an EMB170/190 and a 737 are pretty similar. The difference lies in the crew costs. If there is a shifting of flying to the regionals (and there better not be) it isn't because they burn less gas.

I refer you to my post above. I don't think you can say that the fuel burn of an old northwest DC9 is similiar to that of an E170. Labor costs are no longer the largest expense for airlines - whether you are talking about regionals or majors - oil is.

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[Tomct]

That'd be nice, but fantasizing about ridiculously unrealistic business models isn't going to help anything. Deregulation is ancient history.

The unfortunate reality is that SWA has largely covered the markets which support 737 operations. What's left for them is international and small sub-737 towns. They can't take a 73 into Podunk Falls because the competion already uses RJs there...a 73 can't operate economically in a 50-70 seat market even with a SWA paint job. The only way to tap the vast RJ market is...with RJs.

Megadeth, you know better.

Actually, you put an E-190 in there and you will eat the rj for lunch! It will only take one flight on the E190, and people will be heading away from the rj.

 

[AV8700]

Actually, you put an E-190 in there and you will eat the rj for lunch! It will only take one flight on the E190, and people will be heading away from the rj.

No one heads away from any aircraft. Most people have no idea what they are flying on or what (contract carrier) they are on. They just look for the best ticket price

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Then you will hear them say "I'll never fly Delta again!".

 

[homerjdispatch]

Then you will hear them say "I'll never fly Delta again!".

And in three months, when little Bobby heads off to grandmas, you can bet they will buy the cheapest ticket on expedia wether its Delta or BFE airlines. Its all about the $$$$.

 

[WalterSobchak]

And in three months, when little Bobby heads off to grandmas, you can bet they will buy the cheapest ticket on expedia wether its Delta or BFE airlines. Its all about the $$$$.

And they will beeyotch about the UM fees.

 

[indianboy7]

And they will beeyotch about the UM fees.

Especially when the airline loses their kid.... imp:

 

[Speedtape]

Then you will hear them say "I'll never fly Delta again!".

Then you will hear them say, "I'll never fly _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ again!." Just fill in the airline. They say it about every airline.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Then you will hear them say "I'll never fly Delta again!".

They always say that. Right up until Delta has the cheapest ticket, they they "decide" to "give Delta one more chance". There is no true brand loyalty in the modern airline market.