Skywest 90 CRJ seat pay vs. 50 seat CRJ

[ThisistheDream]

I was told that the pay at Skywest for the 90 seat CRJ is the same as 50 seat CRJ pay, basically one pay scale for any jet under 90 seats??? Is that correct and that crews can fly a 50 seat 70 seat and 90 seat all in one day??

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I was told that the pay at Skywest for the 90 seat CRJ is the same as 50 seat CRJ pay, basically one pay scale for any jet under 90 seats??? Is that correct and that crews can fly a 50 seat 70 seat and 90 seat all in one day??

That is correct. But they prefer to be called Wal-Mart Airlines!

 

[ThisistheDream]

WOW and I thought MESA was the bad one!!! Thanks Skywest

 

[SkyNation]

Same pay for the CRJ200, 700, and 900. The 900s currently are only configured with 70 seats. Look for the DCI planes to have 76 seats in 2007. So, same pay for the RJ variants, currently with 50 and 70 seats. Currenly trips are built to fly either the 200 or the 700/900.

This has been hashed out and bitched about ad naseum on this board. We're trying to change it. My guess is that at some point they'll give us a token difference in pay on the 70/90, but people on this board will still piss and moan about it and point to it as the source of all their problems. While we're trying to get that changed, other airlines well represented here are fighting to get contracts that come close to our rates, others are fighting to survive.

my point is (before this turns into the same tired bitchfest about how SkyWest rates are ruining the industry) that none of us get everything we want, but all of us try. Our method of 'trying' produces what it does, and other 'methods' produce their own results. We can all decide for ourselves what works out best in the end.

now.................. SkyWest haters-pile on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SkyNation]

WOW and I thought MESA was the bad one!!! Thanks Skywest

ask anyone and they'll tell you that we make more $, have a better QOL, better run company, and better future prospects than Mesa. so, you're welcome.

 

[Magneto]

Did you guys here that Trans States started an alter ego airline? I think they are calling it Go-Jets. And also did you hear that the Berlin Wall fell? News to me.

 

[yellowfever]

Same pay for the CRJ200, 700, and 900. The 900s currently are only configured with 70 seats. Look for the DCI planes to have 76 seats in 2007. So, same pay for the RJ variants, currently with 50 and 70 seats. Currenly trips are built to fly either the 200 or the 700/900.

This has been hashed out and bitched about ad naseum on this board. We're trying to change it. My guess is that at some point they'll give us a token difference in pay on the 70/90, but people on this board will still piss and moan about it and point to it as the source of all their problems. While we're trying to get that changed, other airlines well represented here are fighting to get contracts that come close to our rates, others are fighting to survive.

my point is (before this turns into the same tired bitchfest about how SkyWest rates are ruining the industry) that none of us get everything we want, but all of us try. Our method of 'trying' produces what it does, and other 'methods' produce their own results. We can all decide for ourselves what works out best in the end.

now.................. SkyWest haters-pile on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you doing to get it changed???

 

[regionaltard]

ask anyone and they'll tell you that we make more $, have a better QOL, better run company, and better future prospects than Mesa. so, you're welcome.

Wow, better than Mesa. Now there's something to be proud of.

 

[Habib]

Sky Nation-

While I DO think you are doing something to change it, how many seats it has should not make you feel better about the rate.

Trump's 727 with 32 seats should not be flown for the same price as a Saab.

Keep fighting!!!

 

[avrodriver]

While we're trying to get that changed, other airlines well represented here are fighting to get contracts that come close to our rates, others are fighting to survive.

I think those other carriers pilots that you mentioned are being faced with way more issues than Skywest pilots were when this agreement was put in front of them.

The flying that was up for bid when Skywest pilots agreed on this "one-rate" was all growth flying for United...this was prior to Willy and ACA's departure. They had nothing to lose by negotiating a seperate rate...especially if they really believed that rate was going to change 18 months later.

now.................. SkyWest haters-pile on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does it make you feel any better when you end your posts with this? We know you weren't around when this agreement was signed, so why are you so defensive of it?

 

[ThisistheDream]

it doesnt matter how many seats the airline configures it with, It is a 90 seat aircraft anyone remember the DC-9 10 series flown by all legacy carriers, that had 90 seats max!! Skywest is flying a 90 seat 900 series aircraft for the same pay as a 50 seat CRJ. Can someone explain why they do that and why they want to??? How does a brand new 900 series aircraft show up on the ramp in SLC and as the crew boards it doesnt think twice about the pay and refuse to fly. what is next a 737 configured with 90 seats flown for 50 rates??

 

[avrodriver]

ask anyone and they'll tell you that we make more $, have a better QOL, better run company, and better future prospects than Mesa. so, you're welcome.

It's good to be proud of the company you work for, but I wouldn't use Mesa as an example of anything that is right in this industry.

 

[SkyNation]

What are you doing to get it changed???

SAPA is meeting (again) with Brad. sometimes they make progress, sometimes they don't. kinda like any MEC vs. Management.

It's good to be proud of the company you work for, but I wouldn't use Mesa as an example of anything that is right in this industry.

Agreed. The original poster was comparing us to Mesa, however.

I think those other carriers pilots that you mentioned are being faced with way more issues than Skywest pilots were when this agreement was put in front of them.

Agreed.

Does it make you feel any better when you end your posts with this? We know you weren't around when this agreement was signed, so why are you so defensive of it?

Feel better? Compared to feeling how? I just find comedy in the constant bashing from people on this board. I try to add levity, and lots of the humor I employ is lost on some in this crowd. I don't defend, and like I said we're trying to change it. Are guys with lower rates than ours 'defending' theirs, or their work rules, etc? We're all trying to get something better. I don't agree with the fantasy that if we raised our rates that every other airline would magically raise theirs. Do the best you can with what you've got, be competitive, find new ways to innovate. That's all I'm saying.

 

[ThisistheDream]

The only reason I made this post was I didnt realize that Skywest was flying a 900 series 90 seat CRJ for 50 seat pay. I knew that they always flew the 70 seaters for same pay as 50 seat but than someone made a comment to me that they also fly the 90 seat for the same pay I was in disbelief!!! Can a Skywest pilot explain why they are doing this and agreeing to this??? 90 seat for 50 seat pay? when do you guys draw the line?? I agree that skywest is a much better place than mesa but quietly Skywest is lowering the bar quite a bit flying a 900 series for 200 series rates and doing so at there own will, Skywest is not in Chapter 11 the pilots have a leg to stand on talking to management, there is no threat of 1113 ruling on them but they still lower the bar Why??

 

[Hootie9750]

Yeah. All regionals need a contract. That contract is pretty great for Mesa. So when there pilots complain about their one hour of pay after a 12 hour duty day because of all the cancelations and delays, manangement can point to the contract and say "you retards signed the thing". And look at Mesaba, poor guys get screwed at every turn. Contract is getting thrown out the window.

I used to fly freight for a company with "no contract" and we got paid and had better qol than all but probably Skywest, Horizon, and Wisky. Some of you whiners have no clue what your talking about.

 

[OARfan]

The only reason I made this post was I didnt realize that Skywest was flying a 900 series 90 seat CRJ for 50 seat pay. I knew that they always flew the 70 seaters for same pay as 50 seat but than someone mad a comment to me that they also fly the 90 seat for the same pay I was in disbelief!!! Can a Skywest pilot explain why they are doing this and agreeing to this??? 90 seat for 50 seat pay? when do you guys draw the line??

How come ASA doesn't draw the line at having some of the lowest 50 seat rates? Nobody ever bitching about that. The 90 seat rate sucks, hopefully it gets changed soon. All in all, I make more than I ever did at ASA with better QOL and most importantly I don't have to commute or live in ATL. So Whatever.

 

[skyta]

I was told that the pay at Skywest for the 90 seat CRJ is the same as 50 seat CRJ pay, basically one pay scale for any jet under 90 seats??? Is that correct and that crews can fly a 50 seat 70 seat and 90 seat all in one day??

Don't work for skywest. They are a scab airline and lowering standards of this industry. They are flying 90 seaters for 50 seater pay. They are screwing ASA pilots left and right. Don't let them on your jumpseats. blah blah blah blah blah

 

[Going2Baja]

Alaska is flying all the 737's (400, 700, 800, & 900) for the same rate as well - Any comments there? They agreed to a 15% raise across the board for the fleet and it's makes for easier sked.

And Skynation hit the nail on the head - I don't see hardly any Skywester's posting how crappy their company is but there are daily negative threads by ALL the other regionals - What's that tell ya?

Baja.

 

[JetSpeed219]

Do Northwest pilots fly the 757-200 and -300 for the same rate or is it higher for the -300?

 

[skyta]

Alaska is flying all the 737's (400, 700, 800, & 900) for the same rate as well - Any comments there? They agreed to a 15% raise across the board for the fleet and it's makes for easier sked.

And Skynation hit the nail on the head - I don't see hardly any Skywester's posting how crappy their company is but there are daily negative threads by ALL the other regionals - What's that tell ya?

Baja.

Don't work for Alaska. They are a scab airline and lowering standards of this industry. They are flying 900's for 400's seater pay. They are screwing pilots left and right. Don't let them on your jumpseats. blah blah blah blah blah

 

[FlyinPiker]

How come ASA doesn't draw the line at having some of the lowest 50 seat rates? Nobody ever bitching about that. The 90 seat rate sucks, hopefully it gets changed soon. All in all, I make more than I ever did at ASA with better QOL and most importantly I don't have to commute or live in ATL. So Whatever.

Your old company has been fighting to get a new contract for several years, which I'm sure your aware of.

Your new company has been given an average of the top three or so regioinals +1% without having to do a thing.

Seems like Skywest pilots have been having a heck of a time getting money from management lately. No one to mooch off of anymore.

Time for you guys to nut up and take the lead. You can start with that 50 seat rate crap...I sure haven't heard much noise about it for the last 3 years from the pals I have there other than what you said "it sucks".

 

[SkyNation]

Time for you guys to nut up and take the lead. You can start with that 50 seat rate crap...I sure haven't heard much noise about it for the last 3 years from the pals I have there other than what you said "it sucks".

I'm guessing you're saying we should:

1-vote ALPA-yeeehaw! (BTW-do they send you stickers and a pin in a nice welcome packet, or do you have to wait to get them at a meeting?!)

2-initiate 'contract negotiations' (of course this would come after all the red tape crap of elections, comittees, etc.). post flames on flightinfo.com about how we won't give an inch or we'll burn this MoFo down!

3-wait for, um, let's say, oh, I dunno-4 years or so to pass while we 'nut up'. continue to post flames on flightinfo.com about how we won't give an inch or we'll burn this MoFo down!

4-be presented with a 'contract' which if it contained everything we have now, we'd be lucky. could be a 'concessionary contract' and much worse. post flames on flightinfo.com about how we won't give an inch or we'll burn this MoFo down!

5-not get what 'we want,' get pissed, and strike. burn the MoFo down!

6-be out of a job, no income, have to start over.

...but hey, at least we'd be able to say we were in the 'club' and 'nutted up,' right?

 

[joe_pilot]

I'm guessing you're saying we should:

1-vote ALPA-yeeehaw! (BTW-do they send you stickers and a pin in a nice welcome packet, or do you have to wait to get them at a meeting?!)

2-initiate 'contract negotiations' (of course this would come after all the red tape crap of elections, comittees, etc.). post flames on flightinfo.com about how we won't give an inch or we'll burn this MoFo down!

3-wait for, um, let's say, oh, I dunno-4 years or so to pass while we 'nut up'. continue to post flames on flightinfo.com about how we won't give an inch or we'll burn this MoFo down!

4-be presented with a 'contract' which if it contained everything we have now, we'd be lucky. could be a 'concessionary contract' and much worse. post flames on flightinfo.com about how we won't give an inch or we'll burn this MoFo down!

5-not get what 'we want,' get pissed, and strike. burn the MoFo down!

6-be out of a job, no income, have to start over.

...but hey, at least we'd be able to say we were in the 'club' and 'nutted up,' right?

Nice.

...and by the way WE WILL burn this fetchin' place down!

Don't think we won't.

Note: For those of you who don't know me, that was sarcasm. Except for the "nice" comment. Your post made me chuckle SkyNation.

-JP

 

[atlcrjdriver]

SkyNation, you are wasting your breath trying to get some of the die hard ALPites on here to look at the big picture of the SKW contract. All they do is look at this pretty chart and whine "how can they fly the CR series for the same rate?" At the same tx our CR7 drivers can't figure out how your pay checks are larger. The fact is that once our contracts are settled will be fairly similar w/ some form of profit sharing w/ split rates. Hope this will make everyone happy.

Ps: APLites if you are trying to convince SKW to join you may want to try a new tactic than pissing them off. I think even GW is figuring out that staying the course isn't working.

 

[Going2Baja]

Do Northwest pilots fly the 757-200 and -300 for the same rate or is it higher for the -300?

Yes they do....and before you chime in Skyta...I know...blahhhh blahhhh etc.

Baja.

 

[www.]

SkyNation, you are wasting your breath trying to get some of the die hard ALPites on here to look at the big picture of the SKW contract.

NEWS FLASH!!!!

Skywest Airlines has a union and a contract!!!!!

NOT!

 

[FlyinPiker]

I'm guessing you're saying we should:

1-vote ALPA-yeeehaw! (BTW-do they send you stickers and a pin in a nice welcome packet, or do you have to wait to get them at a meeting?!)

2-initiate 'contract negotiations' (of course this would come after all the red tape crap of elections, comittees, etc.). post flames on flightinfo.com about how we won't give an inch or we'll burn this MoFo down!

3-wait for, um, let's say, oh, I dunno-4 years or so to pass while we 'nut up'. continue to post flames on flightinfo.com about how we won't give an inch or we'll burn this MoFo down!

4-be presented with a 'contract' which if it contained everything we have now, we'd be lucky. could be a 'concessionary contract' and much worse. post flames on flightinfo.com about how we won't give an inch or we'll burn this MoFo down!

5-not get what 'we want,' get pissed, and strike. burn the MoFo down!

6-be out of a job, no income, have to start over.

...but hey, at least we'd be able to say we were in the 'club' and 'nutted up,' right?

No offense but all of your above ideas are ridiculous.

Do you really think management has given you everything you have today because they think you deserve it? No...they had to keep up with with everyone else. Fortunately for them, and possibly unfortunately for you ALPA has been dropping the ball at every turn. First it was just with the regionals...now with the majors.

Maybe I'm wrong and your right. Maybe you'll be able to "talk" your way into continuing to be paid the leading/fair rates that you should be paid as time goes on. If that doesn't work out I'd say Southwest is doing a pretty fricken good job with their "in house" union.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Skywest Airlines has a union and a contract!!!!!

contract / agreement - It is what they work under and it is better than ours.

 

[BoilerUP]

Didn't Skywest's last pay raise come during a union drive?

Isn't Skywest management now talking another pay raise (Zoltar or whatever it is called)?

If both of the above are true...is it not ironic that the only time Skywest management throws more money at their pilots whenever ALPA comes knocking?

-all that said-

If SGU offered up Skywest's current working agreement to ASA ALPA (plus ASA's current 70 seat rates, better first year pay and scope protections), I would bet it would overwhelmingly pass.

 

[SkyNation]

If SGU offered up Skywest's current working agreement to ASA ALPA (plus ASA's current 70 seat rates, better first year pay and scope protections), I would bet it would overwhelmingly pass.

I heard they were offered that PLUS a better rate on the 70, but it was shot down because it included PBS. is that true?