Skyway Pilots say "NO F'n WAY"

[StaySeated]

A glimmer of hope in the race to the bottom.

It appears that this afternoon at the National Mediation Board the Skyway pilots said no to a "take it or leave it" offer. We have been in negotiations for nearly two years and currently work under a five year old, bottom of the industry contract. The details of the offer have not been released but concessions were included (Never mind the fact that our FO's make less than 20K and not one captain makes more than 60K) and Mesa threats were thrown around. We may be going out of business but we are not going down without a fight.

 

[LearLove]

GOD BLESS you Skyway boyz.

"and Mesa threats were thrown around"

Yep, Air Midwest will get the 1900's and the dorkjet will turn into E-145's at Mesaup.

 

[Smoking Man]

GOD BLESS you Skyway boyz

Flying the middle finger to the last. Thank you for having enough guts to do the right thing.


In response to the MESA threats did you tell them that you were not FRENCH?

 

[SanJuanPlebe]

Skyways

Maybe you should check with the folks that do news releases for you folks. On the Yahoo Finance, it said that the Skyways negotiating committee offered pay concessions to the Company and that the COMPANY said "NO WAY" rather than the pilots.

Which way is it?

As for you Mesa bashers, well, I guess you'll just need to walk a mile in our shoes.....

"Last Pay till the Last Day" isn't that the slogan the Mesa Bashers would like us to adopt?

BTW, looks like McCain has FINALLY found the real culprit, CEO compensation that borders on the insane! What was it, 9.5 million for the UAL CEO?

 

[CRJ Driver]

You Skyway guys are great!
I'll walk the "line" with you.

 

[stillaboo]

A glimmer of hope in the race to the bottom.
our FO's make less than 20K and not one captain makes more than 60K) and Mesa threats were thrown around.

Mesa has lots of guys who make more than 60K, and I think their FO's start higher than 20k too. Might want to thow around Mesa #'s some more. They're a significant improvement to yours, right?

Remember, your negotiations will be seen as a failure by all pilots unless you secure a payscale higher than anything currently out there. Anything else is 'lowering the bar'.

Nobody makes more than 60K? You're gonna' need a stool just to reach the bar!

Good luck.

 

[eaglefly]

Nice try.

Mesa work rules are substandard to Mc Donalds.

Absolutely DISGUSTING.

You've taken the Eagle contract and GUTTED IT !

Pathetic.

As more and more regional managment throw this new ammmo (courtesy of Mesa pilots) to strong-arm their pilots to the "Mesa level", Mesa pilots will become more dispised.

Now you've let Johnny O. have a chance at spreading his cancer THROUGHOUT the regional industry.

JUMPSEAT CLOSED (it's all I can do).

 

[TWA Dude]

JUMPSEAT CLOSED (it's all I can do).

No, I'm sure there's more you can do to skrew fellow pilots that are just trying to get to work or home. And then they can skrew you in return. And then once again WE ALL LOSE.

All this squabbling is almost funny. At the majors, first United's pilots win big, then Delta gets their United +1%. Well, United's lost theirs and anyone wanna bet how long Delta keeps earning wages 40-50% higher than anyone else in the industry? J.O. has turned out to be a very effective union-buster. Heck, today anyone can succeed at that. Any of you guys that look down your nose at another carrier may soon be worse off.

AND FOR GOSH'S SAKE, KEEP ALL THIS STUFF AWAY FROM THE JUMPSEAT!!!

 

[rptrain]

AND FOR GOSH'S SAKE, KEEP ALL THIS STUFF AWAY FROM THE JUMPSEAT!!!

Listen to this man; he knows what he's talking about.

We'll all be sorry if we don't play nice.

 

[stillaboo]

I'm not going to get in a pissing match here. I was just asking whether Mesa FO's start at more than 20K (YV guys, do you?) and to point out that the idea the Skyway pilots are going to raise the bar, considering the state of the industry and their current contract, is unrealistic, at best.

Who gave pilots the power to personally determine whether the contract that another pilot works under is worthy? How much does your stuff stink, huh? Go get some toilet paper 'cause your attitude is BUTT!

Be whatever you want on this board, but, if not for you, then for your fellow pilots, be a professional when you're on the job.

Skyway guys, good luck!

 

[Vinman]

Just thought I would throw this into the mix. If a you had a 75 hour gaurantee (which is probably at the high end), a new FO would have to make more than $22/hr to make over 20 grand a year. How many regionals really start out that high. After the first year, you have a gripe though. Good luck Skyway, I used to like seeing another 1900 in MKG.

And by the way, let's keep politics out of the jumpseat.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

At which regionals do the FOs make over $20K year, base salary?

Trans States Airlines, ACA, Comair, Air Wisconsin.

I think Chautauqua's contract is the same or better than TSA's, so they make more. I think SkyWest FOs make more to start out.

I'll bet ASA and Horizon do, although I haven't seen that in print.

I know that Skyway, Pinnacle (NW Airlink), Corporate, Great Lakes and Air Chicago don't. It doesn't sound like Mesa or Mesaba does.

I'm not sure about Eagle.

Cliff
GRB

PS-I'm so glad I have a flying job, especially with good pay, and it seems VERY stable compared with the PAX airlines right now. If I had gone back to my regional, I would be about 55 numbers from getting furloughed.

 

[beechdriver]

The Beech guys are home every day, though, which to me is worth more than $. Pay sucks though, no two ways about it.

Unfortunately, not any more. I average 10 overnights per bid, and haven't broken min guarantee for months. Used to have 100+ hour lines with all out and backs...ah, the good old days!

 

[jobear]

Skyway Pay

I currnetly work at Skyway and can tell ya I won't get close to 20K this year...................

Unified
Joe

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Last I checked, first yr FO pay was $19.02 hr. 75 hr gaurantee.

 

[ERJdca]

Mesa F/O pay starts at 20.42/hr on the jet, it also increases with date of signing as well as longevity. I think 1st year F/o pay in a few years increases to 22.05 or so. (might be off slightly) Second year is around 28/hr (increases to around 30/hr), and third year about 31/hr (increases close to 33/hr). Not very high compared to what ive seen with comair, but very comparable with transtates, chatauqua, eagle, coex, pinnacle. Our guarentee is 70hrs per month BUT that is based on a 28DAY BID period, which is the same as 75HR/ 30 DAY bid. Per diem in the TA is a lousy 1.15 which is based on the CPI every year. I am told that increases 3-6% per year(whoopy) Hope this answers your questions.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Young aviatior question-what does "Per diem mean?"

 

[ERJpusher]

Per diem is a rate that pilots earn for every hour they are away from base. It is supposed to be to offset the cost of food during a trip. You get per diem for every single hour you are gone on a trip, even if you are sleeping.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

So it's only paid hours not flying right?

 

[PSL]

I can only speak for SWA (which I believe is representative of most operations).

Per Diem is paid from Check In to Release, including the entire time away from base if RONs are involved, (expressed in hours X rate.)

Example : a 3 day evening trip for us totals approximately 55-60 hours away from base X our PD rate ($2.15 ... I think)...

Our report is 1 hour prior to scheduled push and we are released 30 mins after we block in.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Wonderful info! Thank you!

 

[SkywayFO]

Good Luck Guys! Nice to see! Now that I left the MEC gets some Balls. Hell now that I'm at ACA they want money outr of my pocket now too. And we are still making a profit. Greedy basters!

 

[jobear]

ATRDRVR

First year FO pay on Beech is 17.75 per hour
Second year is 18.46 per hour at SKYX

Unified
Jobear

 

[SkywayFO]

Don't forget first year FO on the DoJet is 17.49/hr. I made $15,200 my first year there flying the Jet.

 

[Palerider957]

You go Skyway!!!! Stick it to the bastards!! You have a lot of support on this board, it's good to see a pilot group draw the line.