SKYW pilots get ASA jobs

[Truckdriver]

It really sucks to be in this family right now if you are at ASA. I have one friend at ASA who is being booted from SLC to ATL and probably won't hold a captain slot for years, and I have another friend at SKYW who just called me and said he was awarded SLC CA and starts training in Aug. My SKYW buddy said it "changed overnight" because last month it was looking like it would take over a year to get an upgrade in SLC. It looks like all those CR7 and CR9 captain slots that were ASA's are now going to SKYW and the SKYW pilots win the battle. Did anyone really think that SKYW buying ASA would be a good thing for the pilots?? What's going on over there just sucks!!

 

[flylowman]

Well it is good for SKYW pilots and you can't hold that against them. But, don't think the whipsaw can't work the other way. Mabe if SKYW became ALPA we could stand together and slowly lift the bar that has came crashing down on us. My fellow pilots, We need to be strong and united to keep this a profession.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Yes it sucks, but I am holding management responsible for this, not the SKW pilots. This is the same game that has been played out at other carriers, and now it is our (ASA's) turn.

 

[Tomct]

Yeah, skywst is NEXT!! Look out guys, JA is a cummin! Hope that the vote goes well for you guys!

 

[Truckdriver]

Yes it sucks, but I am holding management responsible for this, not the SKW pilots. This is the same game that has been played out at other carriers, and now it is our (ASA's) turn.

I'm not blaming the pilots either, I was just saying that it would suck to be at either of these companies right now. ASA is getting hit now, but don't think that some of the 200's that SKYW is operating won't go to ASA as their costs to operate that aircraft is lower than SKYW. The pilot groups at both carriers need to find a way to shut down the whipsaw quickly or it will spiral out of control until you are all flying 737's for RJ wages.

 

[Tomct]

TRUCK... you hit the nail right on the head! We need to come together as two different pilot groups and put a STOP to this CRAZY situation!

 

[Rick James]

Well it is good for SKYW pilots and you can't hold that against them. But, don't think the whipsaw can't work the other way. Mabe if SKYW became ALPA we could stand together and slowly lift the bar that has came crashing down on us. My fellow pilots, We need to be strong and united to keep this a profession.

I agree 100%, this time next year I could be looking at a pay cut. I was just awarded SLC Capt., I forgot I even had that bid in. Things sure move quick in this racket.

 

[capt. megadeth]

TRUCK... you hit the nail right on the head! We need to come together as two different pilot groups and put a STOP to this CRAZY situation!

Uh ok, so Skywest should become ALPA so when the seniority list merges it can go DOH??? Is that your motive?

 

[flylowman]

Uh ok, so Skywest should become ALPA so when the seniority list merges it can go DOH??? Is that your motive?

Uh yes, Do you think it would work otherwise? How economical would it be to demote half of the pilots and train the other half. JA would not even go for that. 4,000 pilots would be strong. I think it would be in the best interest of all involved. Vote yes.

 

[rtmcfi]

Uh ok, so Skywest should become ALPA so when the seniority list merges it can go DOH??? Is that your motive?

After you get done baking me a pie, could you please find me the ALPA integration manual, specifically the part that dictates a DOH integration?

 

[Magneto]

You can stick your DOH where the sun don't shine. I don't agree with staple either. There has to be something where everyone is affected in the least way.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Throw the whole BS STAPLE and DOH arguments out the window. Find something equitable and fair to both groups if it were to ever happen.

 

[thebest2]

test test

 

[AV8700]

Uh ok, so Skywest should become ALPA so when the seniority list merges it can go DOH??? Is that your motive?

This is why it will never happen. They are giddy now, lots of upgrades, no need for ALPA. Then when the dust settles and ASA is gone the cuts will just be forced on them.

 

[outtahere]

How is DOH not fair to both groups? The majority of both groups is under 10 years so I think that is more that fair.

 

[777_Jackpot]

This is why it will never happen. They are giddy now, lots of upgrades, no need for ALPA. Then when the dust settles and ASA is gone the cuts will just be forced on them.

haha... Is there ever a need for ALPA. Skywest pilots should be giddy. I hope they are giddy ever time they park there 900's on the C-concourse. Maybe, just maybe then, ASA pilots will find the motivation to pull there heads out of there azzs' and take the freakin' cuts on the 700. If not, I hope ALPA infects EVERY airline. Then, after they cause EVERY carrier to go out of business, and the dues they counted on, stop pouring in, they themselves will go away. At the current rate, I am banking on the later.

JP

 

[AV8700]

haha... Is there ever a need for ALPA. Skywest pilots should be giddy. I hope they are giddy ever time they park there 900's on the C-concourse. Maybe, just maybe then, ASA pilots will find the motivation to pull there heads out of there azzs' and take the freakin' cuts on the 700. If not, I hope ALPA infects EVERY airline. Then, after they cause EVERY carrier to go out of business, and the dues they counted on, stop pouring in, they themselves will go away. At the current rate, I am banking on the later.

JP

I'm no fan of ALPA national, but to think big cuts aren't on the way to Skywest is crazy. Jerry has already said in our crew lounge that their costs are to high. Thats why I don't think these aircraft were ever coming to ASA. Our costs on the 70 are still less than Skywests. Thats why they'll get bigger aircraft, lower the costs, make the pilots happy with upgrades, keep the union out and then drop the hammer.

 

[777_Jackpot]

Our costs on the 70 are still less than Skywests.

With what respect?

 

[AV8700]

Copied from another thread.


CRJ 700 3rd Quarter 2005
OPERATING DATA ASA SKYW COMAIR
Revenue Passenger Miles 593.36 514.58 399.01
Available Seat Miles 746.15 655.28 554.85
Load Factor 79.52% 78.53% 71.91%

Revenue Miles 10,659 9,783 7,926
Revenue Hours 24,253 22,666 19,385
Block Hours 30,180 28,551 24,331
Aircraft Days 2,028 3,126 2,366
Revenue Departures 15,584 15,162 14,672
Gallons of Fuel 14,367 14,103 11,601

FINANCIAL DATA
Flight Crew Expense $9,730 $9,341 $8,227
Fuel Expense $27,127 $29,633 $22,199
Total Flying Expense $38,953 $39,737 $31,264

Direct Maint. - Airframe $4,331 $1,715 $3,391
Direct Main. - Engines $888 $3,530 $317
Total Direct Maintenance $5,219 $5,245 $3,708
Maintenance Burden $693 $0 $1,462

Depreciation $7,012 $2,608 $6,059
Aircraft Rent $1,033 $11,984 $255

Total Aircraft Operating Expense $53,112 $59,574 $42,748

OPERATING COST PER BLOCK HOUR

FLIGHT CREW COST $322 $327 $338

Fuel Cost $899 $1038 $912
Other Costs $69 $27 $34

TOTAL FLYING COST $1,291 $1,392 $1,285

Direct Main. - Airframe $144 $60 $139
Direct Main. - Engines $29 $124 $13
Total Direct Maintenance $173 $184 $152
Maintenance Burden $23 $0 $60

Total maintenance cost $196 $91 $249

Depreciation $232 $91 $212
Aircraft Rent $34 $420 $10

TOTAL COST PER BLOCK HOUR $1,760 $2,087 $1,757


RATIOS AND OPERATING
INDICATORS


COST PER AVAILABLE SEAT MILE 7.12 9.09 7.70

FLIGHT CREW COST PER ASM 1.3 1.43 1.48

COST PER AIRCRAFT MILE $5 $6 $5


Daily utilization 14.9 9.1 10.3
Avg. Speed 353 343 326
Gallons of fuel per block hour 476 494 477
Fuel Cost per Gallon $1.89 $2.10 $1.91
Average Stage Length 684 645 540
Avg. Departures per day 8 5 6

COST PER DEPARTURE $3,408 $3,929 $2,914



Data derived from DOT form 41


This is just for the 70, so it gets more profitable on the 50.

 

[scarlet]

DOH like any of us have anything to do with when they hired you--YOU had nothing to do with the day they HIRED YOU!!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Copied from another thread.


CRJ 700 3rd Quarter 2005
OPERATING DATA ASA SKYW COMAIR
Revenue Passenger Miles 593.36 514.58 399.01
Available Seat Miles 746.15 655.28 554.85
Load Factor 79.52% 78.53% 71.91%

Revenue Miles 10,659 9,783 7,926
Revenue Hours 24,253 22,666 19,385
Block Hours 30,180 28,551 24,331
Aircraft Days 2,028 3,126 2,366
Revenue Departures 15,584 15,162 14,672
Gallons of Fuel 14,367 14,103 11,601

FINANCIAL DATA
Flight Crew Expense $9,730 $9,341 $8,227
Fuel Expense $27,127 $29,633 $22,199
Total Flying Expense $38,953 $39,737 $31,264

Direct Maint. - Airframe $4,331 $1,715 $3,391
Direct Main. - Engines $888 $3,530 $317
Total Direct Maintenance $5,219 $5,245 $3,708
Maintenance Burden $693 $0 $1,462

Depreciation $7,012 $2,608 $6,059
Aircraft Rent $1,033 $11,984 $255

Total Aircraft Operating Expense $53,112 $59,574 $42,748

OPERATING COST PER BLOCK HOUR

FLIGHT CREW COST $322 $327 $338

Fuel Cost $899 $1038 $912
Other Costs $69 $27 $34

TOTAL FLYING COST $1,291 $1,392 $1,285

Direct Main. - Airframe $144 $60 $139
Direct Main. - Engines $29 $124 $13
Total Direct Maintenance $173 $184 $152
Maintenance Burden $23 $0 $60

Total maintenance cost $196 $91 $249

Depreciation $232 $91 $212
Aircraft Rent $34 $420 $10

TOTAL COST PER BLOCK HOUR $1,760 $2,087 $1,757


RATIOS AND OPERATING
INDICATORS


COST PER AVAILABLE SEAT MILE 7.12 9.09 7.70

FLIGHT CREW COST PER ASM 1.3 1.43 1.48

COST PER AIRCRAFT MILE $5 $6 $5


Daily utilization 14.9 9.1 10.3
Avg. Speed 353 343 326
Gallons of fuel per block hour 476 494 477
Fuel Cost per Gallon $1.89 $2.10 $1.91
Average Stage Length 684 645 540
Avg. Departures per day 8 5 6

COST PER DEPARTURE $3,408 $3,929 $2,914



Data derived from DOT form 41


This is just for the 70, so it gets more profitable on the 50.

Ummm. this show ASA flight crew costs as the highest already...

........................... ASA SKYW CMR
Flight Crew Expense $9,730 $9,341 $8,227

 

[Stifler's Mom]

How about dividing that number by the number of pilots at each company for an average per crew?

 

[777_Jackpot]

How about dividing that number by the number of pilots at each company for an average per crew?

Ok, although that figure will not be "completely" accurate, here they are:

ASA Flight Crew Cost $9,730,000 divided by 2432 pilots= $4000/crew member
Skywest Flight Crew Cost $9,341,000 divided by 3165 pilots= $2951/crew member

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Disregard, trying to figure out all those numbers and what they mean.

 

[777_Jackpot]

The fact of the matter is, unless the statistic compares pilots of the same longevity, seat (CP/FO), and aircraft type, the statistic will be misleading. Therefore, it is pretty easy to see that pilots with the highest hourly rate, will result in a higher operating cost.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Percentage based merger.

 

[Tomct]

Uh Ms. Mega this matters to you because............Oh yeah NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!

 

[rf285]

Percentage based merger with the list as it stood at the aquisition of ASA at a minimum.

 

[Chairman]

If they were to come out and say that the lists were to be merged there would be an almost 2 year period while SOP's got stream lined before our groups would fly together. Then there would be fences for another period. Until about 4 years later we are all one big disfunctional family like everyone else.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

How is DOH not fair to both groups? The majority of both groups is under 10 years so I think that is more that fair.

Uhh can you say foxtrot uniform?