Skw Asa & Alpa

[scarlet]

ALPA has some great benefits! Now, the local ALPA Rep needs to read the RLA that stated: if a company enters into self help to guard against a strike: it would be self help. With the transfer on aircraft to skywest (701) the company plans on sending 13 airplanes to SKW, 13 for now...

 

[MELIT]

How long since you guys were promised a 70- 99 seat payrate? Going on 2 years right? What can you guys do about it? Nothing! We are in the process, it may be a snails pace but at least there is a process.

What is your recourse to any changes made to your work rules, etc...?

You sure things would be so rosey there if the union groups were'nt always raising the bar for you?

Why sould we settle for anything less than you guys have at our sister company? Our Perf Plus would be based on base pay and yours off gross pay. Just one of many things offered that is sub par to SKW pilots.

Cause they know if we take it they will do it to you and there is no recourse.

My 2% goes for all the benifits that ALPA national provides to me if I need them one day in addition to my local union. Legal, Medical, etc...Not to mention all the group rate insurance's that they offer me that can not even be come close to by you looking for yourself.

So don't play the what has ALPA done for me for my 2%. You would have to be pretty stupid to think that the local representation is all I'm paying dues for. But I guess you are. Right?

ALPA is far from perfect, but if the managments out there, besides yours according to you, didn't necessitate the need for it then things would be different.

If we could DEFER our managment like a broken part on the airplanes we fly, we would. Cause in the eyes of all but a few here they are not needed for the operation of our company.

How many time to I have to say this? I DON'T WORK FOR SKYWEST. 2+ years is alot better than 4+ years for you. From the sounds of it, it will be another 4 years.

 

[ohplease!]

You sure things would be so rosey there if the union groups were'nt always raising the bar for you?

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Mesaba, Pinnacle, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, ASA, Comair, Independance, Delta, United, North West, on and on.....nice bar raising ALPA.

 

[Peter Griffin]

It seems like the union hellions are always saying SOMEDAY your rules will be bad. SOMEDAY you are going to get screwed. Its been 30 years. If they really wanted to screw us, they would have.

Not saying SKYW is perfect, but its better than most everything else.

P.S. And yes, I used to work for a ALPO airline, so I can definately compare the two, and SKYW is better, hands down.

 

[ASADriver]

A regional union would not have nearly the resources of ALPA. Believe it or not the association provides so much more than just representation. i.e. life insurance, loss of license/medical insurance, legal, aeromedical, contingency funds, etc. The list goes on.

1. Life insurance: Can get that elsewhere
2. LOL insurance: I've got the company LOL insurance, it is better anyway.
3. Legal: This part is good IF you need it. I haven't had to use it yet. This could be contracted out just as easily.
4. Aeromedical: Again this part is good IF you need it. I haven't used this yet, and I bet most pilots never use this. It also could be contracted out.
5. Contingency funds: So what, doesn't seem to be helping us now does it.

Some of these are good, but none of them are important if you don't have the job anymore.

 

[LAMESAUCE]

Some of these are good, but none of them are important if you don't have the job anymore.

exactly...so you strike to make a point after four years, and now you have to live in a homeless shelter 'cause alpa doesn't care about you as much as your dues and those pointless stickers.

 

[atrdriver]

P.S. And yes, I used to work for a ALPO airline, so I can definately compare the two, and SKYW is better, hands down.

I don't think anyone is saying that is isn't. We are trying to get it through your head that if it was not for the threat of unionization it wouldn't be as good as it is now. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Just from the replys to this post it seems ALPA is a good union w/ many perks however how good are they at the regional level? Why did AA vote ALPA out years ago and never looked back? Why is it LUV and SKW never voted in ALPA?

If/when merged we will need some form of union protection but IMHO we would be much better off with our own in-house union to look out for our interestes.

 

[ohplease!]

I don't think anyone is saying that is isn't. We are trying to get it through your head that if it was not for the threat of unionization it wouldn't be as good as it is now. Why is that so hard to understand?

oh yeah, I think we can all agree that Southwest is all that it is because of the unions and the threat of unions......riiiight! NOT.

 

[ohplease!]

If/when merged we will need some form of union protection but IMHO we would be much better off with our own in-house union to look out for our interestes.

ala Southwest.

 

[outtahere]

How many time to I have to say this? I DON'T WORK FOR SKYWEST. 2+ years is alot better than 4+ years for you. From the sounds of it, it will be another 4 years.

Then shut up and go to another forum....Moron!

 

[outtahere]

If we vote ohpu$$y, joemerchant, and asadriver off the island that is flight info do you think they would leave? You guys hate Alpa that bad go to a non-union carrier, otherwise be thankfull that you have the rights afforded by our contract, and the even better one to come.

 

[atrdriver]

oh yeah, I think we can all agree that Southwest is all that it is because of the unions and the threat of unions......riiiight! NOT.

Southwest has it's own union genius. And yes, I do think that when times were good they used pattern bargaining off of the ALPA carriers to help their payrates and workrules.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

And yes, I do think that when times were good they used pattern bargaining off of the ALPA carriers to help their payrates and workrules.

Of course LUV used the pattern bargaining of other carriers in the initial contract negotiations. Most all of the others major/national carriers at the tx of inception was ALPA except for AA.

 

[cbrown1]

The pilots that are going to Skywest are the ones that want to live out west instead of Atlanta. Most are junior and are not losing much. How many Atlanta pilots have jumped ship to go to Skywest?

JB,
Please list your volunteer positions with Alpa and what you are currently doing? Specifically, what are your proud accomplishments?

I was at asa for a year and still live in atlanta. My leaving had nothing to do with wanting to really live out west and most of the newer asa guys coming here and interviewing are in the same situation.

 

["GO AROUND"]

How many time to I have to say this? I DON'T WORK FOR SKYWEST. 2+ years is alot better than 4+ years for you. From the sounds of it, it will be another 4 years.

Whatever. Then why do you care? Does it impact you? If you don't have a dog in this fight then WTFO?!?!?

 

["GO AROUND"]

Mesaba, Pinnacle, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, ASA, Comair, Independance, Delta, United, North West, on and on.....nice bar raising ALPA.

I didn't say all, Schmuck. All the more reason for the SKW guys to care where the bar is cause it indirectly affects them just as much.

We are doing what we are doing. They did what they did. The only people anyone is accountable too is the one looking back at them in the mirror or their family across the table.

That's who I am looking out for. If it happens to indirectly benifit the others cause I won't cave then the better for them.

 

[outtahere]

I was at asa for a year and still live in atlanta. My leaving had nothing to do with wanting to really live out west and most of the newer asa guys coming here and interviewing are in the same situation.

So basically what you are saying is you were scared you wouldn't upgrade in one year so you bailed like the pus you sound like. By the way, how is that $19 an hour treating you again.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I was at asa for a year and still live in atlanta. My leaving had nothing to do with wanting to really live out west and most of the newer asa guys coming here and interviewing are in the same situation.

It probably had more to do with having a semi over the idea of flying that 90 seater.

 

[ohplease!]

The only people anyone is accountable too is the one looking back at them in the mirror or their family across the table.

That's who I am looking out for. If it happens to indirectly benifit the others cause I won't cave then the better for them.

gee. thats funny. anytime I've said the EXACT SAME THING in the past you and your little union goons start to jump up and down and whine.....

 

[ohplease!]

Southwest has it's own union genius.

my point EXACTLY you fckin'idiot! ALPA will NEVER have our (regionals) interests at heart. We MUST dump ALPA and take care of ourselves. ALPA is using us for money and for NOTHING else. period.

 

[sweptback]

my point EXACTLY you fckin'idiot! ALPA will NEVER have our (regionals) interests at heart. We MUST dump ALPA and take care of ourselves. ALPA is using us for money and for NOTHING else. period.

I don't disagree with you, but the big problem with a regional or in-house union is the money. We'd all have to pay 6-8% in dues to get the same amount of service... otherwise we'd have to sacrifice certain things, like maybe a strike fund.

It works for Southwest and the like because the average salary there is probably 3x what it would be at your average regional.

 

[ohplease!]

I don't disagree with you, but the big problem with a regional or in-house union is the money. We'd all have to pay 6-8% in dues to get the same amount of service... otherwise we'd have to sacrifice certain things, like maybe a strike fund.

It works for Southwest and the like because the average salary there is probably 3x what it would be at your average regional.

build you own strike fund...not that you'd need it in the near future.

 

[cbrown1]

So basically what you are saying is you were scared you wouldn't upgrade in one year so you bailed like the pus you sound like. By the way, how is that $19 an hour treating you again.

That and I couldn't stand all the bitter people like yourself.

 

[atrdriver]

my point EXACTLY you fckin'idiot! ALPA will NEVER have our (regionals) interests at heart. We MUST dump ALPA and take care of ourselves. ALPA is using us for money and for NOTHING else. period.

And there EXACTLY do you plan for the regionals to get the money to start up this great union? A regional airlines get back much more than they put in in dues money each year. You would have to start out with a special assessment that mosy regional pilots could not afford just to get it started, and the dues would have to be much more than what we currently pay so provide even close to the same level of service.

Lets say that the average ASA pilot make $50,000 a year. At our current 2% that would only be 1.7 million in dues each year. We would go through that in grievances in a few months at the rate we have them. Then add in record keeping, offices, etc and it doesn't take long for that amount of money to go bye bye in a hurry.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

That and I couldn't stand all the bitter people like yourself.

SJS rears its ugly head again. What happened? One too many experienced Captains have to help you out here and you took it personally. Upset that nobody recognized your "superior skills"? Enjoy Skywest. They can have you. At the very least it means I don't have to fly with you.

 

[Bizjet]

my point EXACTLY you fckin'idiot! ALPA will NEVER have our (regionals) interests at heart. We MUST dump ALPA and take care of ourselves. ALPA is using us for money and for NOTHING else. period.

You must want to be just like JoeyMerchant when you grow up. Or are you one of JoeMerchants other sign in accounts on FlightInfo. I would think that you are Joey's older girlfriend but she would be to lazy to type all the post. She is too busy trying to secure a management position for her and the BOY TOY.:laugh:

 

["GO AROUND"]

gee. thats funny. anytime I've said the EXACT SAME THING in the past you and your little union goons start to jump up and down and whine.....

Cause you sound like you are looking out for managment. You wanted to take a concessionary contract, pretty much anything the company was offering was ok with you.

If you are just looking out for you then I can't fault that. I don't know your situation, but you still have to go with the majority. I happen to fall in that group.

The offer is not far from what I want but even if they correct all but retro, I'll probably still vote no.

They sit there holier than thou and dismiss retro pay like they shouldn't have to pay it, like it wasn't their fault. F'em, if I'm gonna suck it up then they should too.

 

[MELIT]

I don't think anyone is saying that is isn't. We are trying to get it through your head that if it was not for the threat of unionization it wouldn't be as good as it is now. Why is that so hard to understand?

Because thats your opinion. Where is the proof to back it up ?

 

[atrdriver]

Because thats your opinion. Where is the proof to back it up ?

No, it's not my opinion. Maybe you need to study a little history. The early steel industry in one example. More on topic, the early airline industry. Anytime that one company has been unionized and another has not been, the non union company attempts to keep their pay and workrules close to the union companies to prevent the union from starting on their property. Do a little homework.