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"SJet" gets a name... Compass Airlines files with the DOT

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Amazing! Management would rather go through the trouble and expense of starting an entirely new airline rather than raise fares $10.
 
Well, at least it's a better name than go!

Still sucks though.
 
Is Doug really the DEVIL?

Good old Doug Steenland will crush anyone that gets in his way. It doesn't matter who it is: woman, children, cats, dogs.....the list goes on and on. He remindes me of Al Pachino in "The Devil's Advocate."

He remindes me of a mob leader: if he doesn't like or agree with your opinion, he blows your head off.
 
So what happens when the NWA pilots vote down the TA? The current TA blows! Chances are it will pass with a 51/49.

Baja.
 
I can see the banner in the HQ:

Compass: Without direction.
Just like Northwest.
 
So maybe some of PNL or IND aircraft sitting in TUS?

Upon transfer of the Independence Air authority, Compass proposes to

commence an initial pattern of daily nonstop services between Washington DuIIes​

International Airport and Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport in June,
2006, using


CW-200 aircraft configured with​
50 seats. The CRJ-200 aircraft will be provided to


Compass under lease or sublease from Northwest, and it is possible that the aircraft may
be sourced from among the
CRJ-200 aircraft formerly operated by Independence Air.


Additional service with larger 76-seat regional jet aircraft is anticipated​
to be offered in


the market during the first full year of operations under a tentative growth plan
forecasting operation​
of at least thirty-six (36) such aircraft (the number of Avro regional


jets operated at another regional carrier and being replaced) in domestic markets within

five years. The final number of 76-seat regional jets​
to be operated by Compass will


depend upon​
a number of factors including primarily the outcome of negotiations with


the aircraft manufacturers.​
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So I love how NWA management has already gone ahead and done this, even though it hasn't even been approved yet. NWA pilots, Please vote this down!
 
This info can be found towards the end of the document (paraphrased):

Compass to obtain 1 CRJ-200 in May 2006 to begin revenue operations in June. Compass to obtain first 76-seat aircraft (EMB 175 or CRJ-900) in March 2007, with deliveries following at a rate of 1 per month in April and May, then 2 per month up to a total of 36 aircraft.
 
I just hope the clowns who ran Independence into the ground, Tom Moore, Kerry Skeen and thier puppets Bill Brown and Mark Z. don't go with the certificate. None of them can't even manage a brothel on a Navy base.
 
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Compass Airlines operated in Australia for two brief periods in the early 1990s. The two incarnations of the airline were quite separate with different management and aircraft. Compass I was Australia's first low cost airline. It was established following deregulation of the Australian airline industry in 1990. Previously Ansett and the government owned Australian Airlines had operated under the 'Two Airline agreement', which was in fact a legal barrier to new entrants to the Australian aviation market. It restricted intercapital sevices to the two majors. This anti-competitive arrangement ensured that they carried approximately the same number of passengers, charged the same fares and had similar fleet sizes and equipment.
Compass I, as it became known, was established by Bryan Grey, who had previously run regional airline East-West Airlines. East-West had earlier attempted to break the duopoly of Ansett and Australian Airlines by offering cheap fares but in the regulated environment of the time was not allowed to operate directly between major cities so was forced to detour via regional centres. East-West was ultimately acquired by Ansett. At its peak Compass Mark I operated six leased Airbus A300 and A310 aircraft. It collapsed little more than a year after its first flight. The collapse was caused by undercapitalisation and sustained fare discounting by the three airlines.
Compass II was conceived as Southern Cross Airlines originally but chose to trade under the Compass brand, which seemed to have popular support. It commenced operations in 1992 with McDonnell Douglas MD82 aircraft. It collapsed less than a year later in 1993. Southern Cross chairman Douglas Reid was convicted in 1997 of theft and false accounting amounting to $10 million in relation to the collapse. He received a record 10 year jail sentence.
</H1>So you see they put alot of thought into choosing a name.
 
BFD - there is a Skywest Airlines in Oz as well. Are you saying Skywest should have changed their name as well?

Baja.
 
Flyerjosh said:
This info can be found towards the end of the document (paraphrased):

Compass to obtain 1 CRJ-200 in May 2006 to begin revenue operations in June. Compass to obtain first 76-seat aircraft (EMB 175 or CRJ-900) in March 2007, with deliveries following at a rate of 1 per month in April and May, then 2 per month up to a total of 36 aircraft.


Can you tell us which page this was on? Can you say whipsaw?
 
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Those 36 76-seaters are what's going to replace Mesaba's Avro's. In other words, Mesaba IS going to be a 49 Saab fleet. Can you say "Bye Bye Mesaba".

Ceeeyaaaa.

Dear NWA, you just killed us.
 
Let's not jump the gun! There are a million things happening right now which could affect XJ or NWA Pilots. Creating hysteria over this is pathetic. I'm sure the NWA guys know about this and, if they have any sense, will vote down the TA as it stands. Relax children!!
 
XJohXJ said:
Those 36 76-seaters are what's going to replace Mesaba's Avro's. In other words, Mesaba IS going to be a 49 Saab fleet. Can you say "Bye Bye Mesaba".

Ceeeyaaaa.

Dear NWA, you just killed us.



Bet you are wishing now that you and others at Mesaba had supported us at the RJDC. Maybe then Mesaba would still be viable, or better yet, you would have a seniority number at NWA.
 
RJDC said:
Bet you are wishing now that you and others at Mesaba had supported us at the RJDC.

You are not affiliated with the RJDC at all. You are simply a flame-baiter. One who has previously posted as The Guat, Rhoid, Guppy Killer, TheGuppyKiller, Freight Nazi, TheMissingLink, 410Dude, OUT, IHaveAPension, and multiple other previously banned users.
 
O.K. so nothing is sure yet. That is true. But, it doesn't look so good for us right now. Don't worry, my statement doesn't signal a lack of resolve. If anything, this just goes to show there is even less of a reason to give XJ SLT their extortionary pay cuts.

I know this is a complex situation with a lot of possible outcomes, but, c'mon, do you really think XJ can survive if Newco joins the fray?

Believe me, I'd sure like to stay employed (as long as it doesn't mean below poverty pay!)
 
Here's a bit more info that I gathered from the filing:

Here's the breakdown that I saw (Resumes can be found starting on page 110):

Bill Lange: Director of Safety
Mark Z: Director of Operations
Rob Coulter: Chief Pilot
Rob Recchio: Director of MX
Jose Cordova: Director of Quality Control/Chief Inspector

Compass to obtain 1 CRJ-200 in May 2006 to begin revenue operations in June. Compass to obtain first 76-seat aircraft (EMB 175 or CRJ-900) in March 2007, with deliveries following at a rate of1 per month in April and May, then 2 per month up to a total of 36 aircraft.
 
Rossa said:
Let's not jump the gun! There are a million things happening right now which could affect XJ or NWA Pilots. Creating hysteria over this is pathetic. I'm sure the NWA guys know about this and, if they have any sense, will vote down the TA as it stands. Relax children!!

Don't be so sure it will be voted down, their is a big majority of pilots voting yes. Also of the pilots saying no way, there is a large group in there that don't want to vote at all.
 
Well if NWA pilots vote yes on this, then they can no longer complain about Mesaba or Pinnacle pilots because if they vote yes, we are all going to suffer.

There is no reason that you have to create another airline, there are way to many to begin with. There is more supply than demand. That is the reason pay rates keep going down, because Northwest has to compete with the JetBlues southwests and virgin americas. Just give everything 76 and higher to mainline, keep pinnacle with the 50 seat planes, and give mesaba 1 70 seat plane for every avro and saab that they lost. This Compass thing is the most rediculous and pointless thing that i have ever heard of.
 
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Detroitpilot22 said:
Well if NWA pilots vote yes on this, then they can no longer complain about Mesaba or Pinnacle pilots because if they vote yes, we are all going to suffer.

There is no reason that you have to create another airline, there are way to many to begin with. There is more supply than demand. That is the reason pay rates keep going down, because Northwest has to compete with the JetBlues southwests and virgin americas. Just give everything 76 and higher to mainline, keep pinnacle with the 50 seat planes, and give mesaba 1 70 seat plane for every avro and saab that they lost. This Compass thing is the most rediculous and pointless thing that i have ever heard of.
There is a perfectly good reason to start another airline, money. The real problem here is the person making decisions is Neal Cohen. He will serve as both the chairman of Compass and as CFO of NWA. When the stock issues, the exec's will get a huge chunk of the pie. They initially go to 36 airplanes to keep the growth low. When the stock goes public, they will transfer all flying from XJ and 9E to Compass. The airline then will experience amazing growth and the exec's will be wearing gold diapers. Since the flying will remain under in house control, it will not be sold. Don't worry the XJ'ers and 9E'ers will get a staple job, but at year 1 pay. Who will stop the bleeding?
 
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XJohXJ said:
Those 36 76-seaters are what's going to replace Mesaba's Avro's. In other words, Mesaba IS going to be a 49 Saab fleet. Can you say "Bye Bye Mesaba".

Ceeeyaaaa.

Dear NWA, you just killed us.

As long as XJ pilots/ALPA gives in to the demands of management (or at least negotiates a crappy contract) we will be ok. I expect XJ to receive some of the jet flying from Northwest. Something is still in the works or Mesaba would not be operating only 2 crjs for the last 4 months. Hopefully it all works out.
Just to scare all the senior pilots in MSP, they might just actually go down to 49 SAABS before it's all said and done. I would'nt put it past them. Those executives are bad people.
 
RJDC said:
Bet you are wishing now that you and others at Mesaba had supported us at the RJDC. Maybe then Mesaba would still be viable, or better yet, you would have a seniority number at NWA.

Hey The Guat, Rhoid, Guppy Killer, TheGuppyKiller, Freight Nazi, TheMissingLink, 410Dude, OUT, IHaveAPension, There's a poster who goes by einstein/chuck yogurt/lawman/sky rocket/frog fart (or something like that)
Why don't you two hook up with uppercrust and take a ride up on brokeback mountain!
737
 
hoover said:
Amazing! Management would rather go through the trouble and expense of starting an entirely new airline rather than raise fares $10.

Go back to school and retake Economics 101, you're missing the point completely.
 

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