SIC Check and BFR

[rickair7777]

What if your company does AQP? Where there is only a Manuevers day and a LOE every 9 months. does that count as a BFR?

If the guy doing it is a CFI and will sign a BFR endorsement, then yes.

I always get them to sign the pre-printed BFR block.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Assuming you're referring to a 135 ride counting for instrument proficiency, SIC's do not take an instrument proficiency check...The specific regs are:

135.293, which is company specific stuff, regulations, and aircraft knowlege/proficiency. Both PIC and SIC are checked. This is what the Flight Review would be based on.

135.297, which is the "instrument proficiency" check, is only required of PIC's.

So, no. SIC checkrides under 135 do not count as an IPC.

Fly safe!

David

actually I was talking about a 121 initial sic check. Don't intend on returning to a 135 world right now. I like to know my days off before they have passed.

 

[rickair7777]

actually I was talking about a 121 initial sic check. Don't intend on returning to a 135 world right now. I like to know my days off before they have passed.

121 SIC training/PCs don't automatically translate to an IPC, but since you will probably do 6 approaches, a hold, and intercepting/tracking, you can log it and have the sim instructor sign it. This is NOT an IPC, but if you are currently current it will extend your current currency for another 6 months.

 

[Ralgha]

121 SIC training/PCs don't automatically translate to an IPC, but since you will probably do 6 approaches, a hold, and intercepting/tracking, you can log it and have the sim instructor sign it. This is NOT an IPC, but if you are currently current it will extend your current currency for another 6 months.

It woukd be a lot more simple to just have him sign it off as an IPC.

 

[rickair7777]

It woukd be a lot more simple to just have him sign it off as an IPC.

Well an IPC requires a specific selection of events from the IR PTS, and they have to be logged. Off of the top of my head, I don't think a PC necessarily hits all of them, and most companies would be lukewarm to your request to throw in a few extra manuevers for your personal 91 proficiency. Also, a 121 instructor may not actually have a CFII, he can do airline training on his ATP, but a CFII is required to conduct an IPC. An ATP could however document that you completed six approaches, a hold, and intercepting/tracking in your logbook.

 

[Ralgha]

Well an IPC requires a specific selection of events from the IR PTS, and they have to be logged. Off of the top of my head, I don't think a PC necessarily hits all of them, and most companies would be lukewarm to your request to throw in a few extra manuevers for your personal 91 proficiency. Also, a 121 instructor may not actually have a CFII, he can do airline training on his ATP, but a CFII is required to conduct an IPC. An ATP could however document that you completed six approaches, a hold, and intercepting/tracking in your logbook.

§ 61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command.

d) Instrument proficiency check. Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, a person who does not meet the instrument experience requirements of paragraph (c) of this section within the prescribed time, or within 6 calendar months after the prescribed time, may not serve as pilot in command under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR until that person passes an instrument proficiency check consisting of a representative number of tasks required by the instrument rating practical test.


(1) The instrument proficiency check must be—
(i) In an aircraft that is appropriate to the aircraft category;
(ii) For other than a glider, in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of the aircraft category; or
(iii) For a glider, in a single-engine airplane or a glider.


(2) The instrument proficiency check must be given by—
(i) An examiner;


(ii) A person authorized by the U.S. Armed Forces to conduct instrument flight tests, provided the person being tested is a member of the U.S. Armed Forces;


(iii) A company check pilot who is authorized to conduct instrument flight tests under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter or subpart K of part 91 of this chapter, and provided that both the check pilot and the pilot being tested are employees of that operator or fractional ownership program manager, as applicable;


(iv) An authorized instructor; or


(v) A person approved by the Administrator to conduct instrument practical tests.