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I don't work there, so this is all second hand info.
Recently SA furloughed a newhire class because their background check company went out of business (instead of paying them for a few months while waiting for a new company, they just furloughed for a few months.)
Their first year pay is a little better than many regionals.
6-day trips happen on a regular basis. Very difficult to commute or maintain good QOL.
Questionable future due to association with Wexford and Airways.
Again, this is all second hand. I'm sure some current SA pilots can correct or add to what I've said.
Recently SA furloughed a newhire class because their background check company went out of business (instead of paying them for a few months while waiting for a new company, they just furloughed for a few months.)
Their first year pay is a little better than many regionals.
6-day trips happen on a regular basis. Very difficult to commute or maintain good QOL.
Questionable future due to association with Wexford and Airways.
Again, this is all second hand. I'm sure some current SA pilots can correct or add to what I've said.
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The new-hire pay is 22.00 per segment hour. Per deim is only paid for overnight trips, so don't expect a big check if you're TTN based.
Yes, QOL has taken a back seat around here for numerous reasons. The main reason for this is massive pilot attrition at all levels this past month or so. There have been 2 new hire classes since that furloughed class mentioned above. The newest class should be starting IOE really soon. As for upgrades, there were 8 that just started class last Monday. Bear in mind this all apears to be due to attrition.
We receive very little info about our future from the upper-ups around here. Last official word I heard from the company was that we were ceasing operations starting at the end of october. Well, here we are almost a month later and still in existance. However, the Dec. bid packages arn't out yet
Morale around here seems quite low and everyone I talk to seems to have other irons in the fire. We will just have to see what the wexford acquisiton of midway spells out.
in closing, a fellow aviator buddy of mine summed Shuttle up like this: Working for Shuttle America is like working at the mushroom factory.... they keep us in the dark, feed us sh*t, and expect us to grow!
Yes, QOL has taken a back seat around here for numerous reasons. The main reason for this is massive pilot attrition at all levels this past month or so. There have been 2 new hire classes since that furloughed class mentioned above. The newest class should be starting IOE really soon. As for upgrades, there were 8 that just started class last Monday. Bear in mind this all apears to be due to attrition.
We receive very little info about our future from the upper-ups around here. Last official word I heard from the company was that we were ceasing operations starting at the end of october. Well, here we are almost a month later and still in existance. However, the Dec. bid packages arn't out yet
Morale around here seems quite low and everyone I talk to seems to have other irons in the fire. We will just have to see what the wexford acquisiton of midway spells out.
in closing, a fellow aviator buddy of mine summed Shuttle up like this: Working for Shuttle America is like working at the mushroom factory.... they keep us in the dark, feed us sh*t, and expect us to grow!
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Re: Shuttle Future, What Future???
I beg to differ on the quality of our pilots.... The line pilots here are some of the most skilled and professional pilots I have ever flown with...I've worked for 3 other airlines. Many of our guys and gals that came to "give it a try" are furloughed from other places and came to SA in the months post 9/11 when this joint was one of the ONLY places hiring. Recalls have accounted for some, but not all of our recent attrition.
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I beg to differ on the quality of our pilots.... The line pilots here are some of the most skilled and professional pilots I have ever flown with...I've worked for 3 other airlines. Many of our guys and gals that came to "give it a try" are furloughed from other places and came to SA in the months post 9/11 when this joint was one of the ONLY places hiring. Recalls have accounted for some, but not all of our recent attrition.
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Yes many of our good folks are moving on to those greener pastures. More recently we have had pilots go to carribean sun/star, airtran, spirt, coex, eagle, southeast, and probably others I havent heard about yet. Can't vouch for the newbies as I havn't met them yet
Coming to work at Shuttle is probably a crap shoot. I would recommend finding a 135 cargo gig in the meantime until things settle down around here. Then see if your heart is still set on flying for Shuttle. You'll probably make better money and have better QOL freightdoggin' You will also learn more about yourself and how to fly a plane than you will at shuttle. But, I'm probably biased Good Luck!
Coming to work at Shuttle is probably a crap shoot. I would recommend finding a 135 cargo gig in the meantime until things settle down around here. Then see if your heart is still set on flying for Shuttle. You'll probably make better money and have better QOL freightdoggin' You will also learn more about yourself and how to fly a plane than you will at shuttle. But, I'm probably biased
Good Luck!
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I don't know where you get your info Outermarket, but you should probably check it for accuracy.
I am one of the new hires that just finished my PC and begin IOE this week. I don't take offence to the unfounded viciousness that you posess for myself the other 18 new hires here (2 classes) because your tone suggests some sort of deep seeded hatred masked by your ignorant manner of speech. It leads me to believe that you probably got rejected by SA.
Anyhow, I will admit, the interview was not a very selective one. They were merely looking for a positive attitude coupled with decent experience. This policy deffinately could have yielded scary results, but in the case of the last two classes, it did not.
about 60% of the 19 new hires had ATP's, 80% had 4 year degrees, and total times ranged from 1500-6000 hours. Every one of the new hires in both classes had a strong work ethic through training studying hard and taking it very seriously. The class included 2 former colgan pilots (one typed in the SF340), about 11 former freight dogs (everything from SA227 to Caravan, Navajo and twin cessna to lear jet and CASA 212) Many of the 19 have CFII-MEI's and a few were hired right from instructing jobs. Ages ranged from 22-49 but averaged about 27. Four of the new hires came from Cape Air (a company with a long standing reputation for extremely selective hiring) each with ATPs and tons of c402 single pilot time. None of the new hires were schlubs, washouts, PFTers, scabs, or any such loathesome characters.
Though the future of SA may be in question, the new hires are nothing less then sensible people trying to work and gain 121 experience in this brutal industry.
I am one of the new hires that just finished my PC and begin IOE this week. I don't take offence to the unfounded viciousness that you posess for myself the other 18 new hires here (2 classes) because your tone suggests some sort of deep seeded hatred masked by your ignorant manner of speech. It leads me to believe that you probably got rejected by SA.
Anyhow, I will admit, the interview was not a very selective one. They were merely looking for a positive attitude coupled with decent experience. This policy deffinately could have yielded scary results, but in the case of the last two classes, it did not.
about 60% of the 19 new hires had ATP's, 80% had 4 year degrees, and total times ranged from 1500-6000 hours. Every one of the new hires in both classes had a strong work ethic through training studying hard and taking it very seriously. The class included 2 former colgan pilots (one typed in the SF340), about 11 former freight dogs (everything from SA227 to Caravan, Navajo and twin cessna to lear jet and CASA 212) Many of the 19 have CFII-MEI's and a few were hired right from instructing jobs. Ages ranged from 22-49 but averaged about 27. Four of the new hires came from Cape Air (a company with a long standing reputation for extremely selective hiring) each with ATPs and tons of c402 single pilot time. None of the new hires were schlubs, washouts, PFTers, scabs, or any such loathesome characters.
Though the future of SA may be in question, the new hires are nothing less then sensible people trying to work and gain 121 experience in this brutal industry.
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To add to the above post, and in response to outermarket's earlier post:
"You must admit that alot of your good people are leaving to greener pastures...pilots,dispatcher, F/A's . I know a few in each catagory...."
I have to scratch my head in bewilderment when I read this, because the only notable outflow of personnel has been in the pilot group. Yes, most of them were "good people" and some are good friends of mine, but the fact that good people have left doesn't leave us with a shortage of good people, either. The suggestion is that anyone we hire to replace the departed folk are somehow inferior... Which is totally preposterous. Like any company that doesn't have a simulator eval (which is MOST regionals), we have to make hiring decisions based upon what is learned in the interview, and without knowing exactly what the yardstick is that is used to measure the quality of the applicants, they obviously include the breadth and quality of prior experience, technical knowledge, recommendations from current pilots, and whether or not that person is someone you'd care to spend a week with in the cockpit.
Yes, it did hurt to see some of our good people leave, especially some experienced captains. What this did do, however, was open up slots for experienced FO's to be captains, and many of them are online now and doing an excellent job. We have no shortage of applicants and they are certainly not hiring everyone who comes through the door... And I am unconcerned about the quality of the newbies as I have found them to be high-quality individuals to work with and by no measure are they "not as good" as the people they were hired to replace.
"You must admit that alot of your good people are leaving to greener pastures...pilots,dispatcher, F/A's . I know a few in each catagory...."
I have to scratch my head in bewilderment when I read this, because the only notable outflow of personnel has been in the pilot group. Yes, most of them were "good people" and some are good friends of mine, but the fact that good people have left doesn't leave us with a shortage of good people, either. The suggestion is that anyone we hire to replace the departed folk are somehow inferior... Which is totally preposterous. Like any company that doesn't have a simulator eval (which is MOST regionals), we have to make hiring decisions based upon what is learned in the interview, and without knowing exactly what the yardstick is that is used to measure the quality of the applicants, they obviously include the breadth and quality of prior experience, technical knowledge, recommendations from current pilots, and whether or not that person is someone you'd care to spend a week with in the cockpit.
Yes, it did hurt to see some of our good people leave, especially some experienced captains. What this did do, however, was open up slots for experienced FO's to be captains, and many of them are online now and doing an excellent job. We have no shortage of applicants and they are certainly not hiring everyone who comes through the door... And I am unconcerned about the quality of the newbies as I have found them to be high-quality individuals to work with and by no measure are they "not as good" as the people they were hired to replace.
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So... In other words... You don't work here, you are assuming to be true that which you have been told by a couple of people that DO work here (or, for crying out loud, APPLIED here and didn't get hired), and that is the basis for your 'just telling it like it is' posts?
C'mon, man, your credibility here is stretched thinner than Kate Moss.
As for whether you can be "fully trusted", as you so say about yourself, I'm afraid that is seriously in question. Not divulging your source means you are compromising your own position and making the basis of your claims suspect.
I guess I should also ask what our new Manager of SOC, whomever it is that ends up in that position, is going to be expected to "do" when "doing battle" with USAirways and/or Wexford. ESPECIALLY Wexford. Engaging in "battle" with the owners is a one-way ticket to the unemployment line for middle management in just about any field of endeavor I can think of.
On second thought, don't bother answering any of the above. I think anyone who reads this thread can already figure out what your motivation is.
Read: Sour grapes.
C'mon, man, your credibility here is stretched thinner than Kate Moss.
As for whether you can be "fully trusted", as you so say about yourself, I'm afraid that is seriously in question. Not divulging your source means you are compromising your own position and making the basis of your claims suspect.
I guess I should also ask what our new Manager of SOC, whomever it is that ends up in that position, is going to be expected to "do" when "doing battle" with USAirways and/or Wexford. ESPECIALLY Wexford. Engaging in "battle" with the owners is a one-way ticket to the unemployment line for middle management in just about any field of endeavor I can think of.
On second thought, don't bother answering any of the above. I think anyone who reads this thread can already figure out what your motivation is.
Read: Sour grapes.
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LOL!! I guess noone can figure out the 'outermarket' posts anymore, as they've all been "edited for content". Now anyone who reads must be able to suss out what was said by the responses....
Since there's no sand of mention in Ft. Wayne, I guess I'll have to just stick my head in the road salt.
Since there's no sand of mention in Ft. Wayne, I guess I'll have to just stick my head in the road salt.
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Someone already DID, Dashboy. The only thing you asked that wasn't answered was upgrade time, and currently that's anywhere from a year to two years depending upon your time. I think the "time" is 2000TT with 1500 in the 340, or 2500TT with 1000ME. Not positive about those numbers, though.
I am, however, sorry to have annoyed you with the "pissing contest". I should've let that douche walk all over us and talk out of his a$$ without calling his bluff. My apologies.
I am, however, sorry to have annoyed you with the "pissing contest". I should've let that douche walk all over us and talk out of his a$$ without calling his bluff. My apologies.
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Yes, your domicile list is correct. Being based in TTN is what you make of it. PerDeim is only paid on overnight trips, and ttn crews dont have very many overnights. If you live there and don't have to commute, ttn can be great. Many senior captains are there.... remnants from the "old" shuttle. need more info, PM me
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