should I buy multi

[rumorhasit]

I have found a place to purchase multi time for $40 an hour. I was told by someone who has a very close knowledge of the hiring process to get the time asap. If I do this by purchasing block time then mei the rest...good or bad? With the cfi market pretty much in poo land I have to find a way to get the hours. If I can fly 100 hrs for $4000 or 50 hrs for $2000 then beg for a low paying cargo job to the build time...Good or bad plan? And are there any loan reps on this forum, maybe a zero interest loan or grant?

 

[sleddriver77]

Uhhh...... If your profile had just a teeny, tiny bit of insight to your actual qualifications,
instead of the smart-a$$ bullsh1t you elected to enter, you might get a decent answer to your
question.

 

[wheelsup]

my flight school just hired 5 people last week...i'd hardly say the market is poo right now.


~wheelsup

P.S. It's a part 61 school, not connected with an airline type program, just mom and pop.

 

[Smacktard]

Uhhh...... If your profile had just a teeny, tiny bit of insight to your actual qualifications,
instead of the smart-a$$ bullsh1t you elected to enter, you might get a decent answer to your
question.

Amen to that. Here are some which make me think...TOOL.

Aircraft Experience: 152, 172A, 172B, 172C, 172D, 172S, 172P, 172M, 172N.

Current Position: Sitting Up, Doggystyle, Seated, Too Broke to blah blah blah, looking at the computer, poor CFI, etc.

Oh, and to answer the question, I don't think the CFI market is in 'poo land'. You just aint looking! Pay as little as you can for the multi and start hanging out at the airports.

 

[350DRIVER]

Buying the time? Why not just pencil whip the logbook if you are looking for just the "time" to meet minimums, much easier if you ask me and probably about the same experience.... You should be looking for the "experience", not the flight time. If I were you I surely would not pay someone X amount of dollars just to make your logbook look better, pretty insane and worthless in my opinion.. Get the MEI or or get on with a charter department and build some quality multi-engine flight time that is actually worth something. These fly by night operations that are "selling" time do absolutely nothing that will be beneficial to you in the long run.


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ps>> his profile really is not needed since he only asked for "advice" pertaining to his multi-engine flight time. One would assume he has very little, atleast that would be logical reasoning after reading his post.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

YES.... Then Go and PFT, join Airinc, go to Gulfstream, if you are gonna be in this industry you need to have staggering debt, or at least your parents should, since you will be living in their basement, or in a crashpad with 4-5 other fools! Wake up and smell the poo! The only ones making money are the shills selling this kind of crap.
PBR

 

[flynryan15]

Gee

WOW 5 whole post to get to PFT or GULFSTREAM bashing!!!!!

 

[BRA]

I think it could be worth it, but only buy like 5-15 hours. I think you need like 5 hours

PIC in the twin you plan to teach in. I think you need 15 hours multi PIC to get an MEI?
So buying those hours is warrented. I would just buy it with the idea of using or
obtaining an MEI though. Or the school you want to use the MEI at may have some
requirement like 25 or 50 hours in the plane. A lot of people bought multi hours instead
of CFI rating prior to 9/11... and i think many were sorry after. Trying to buy enough to
hit that golden 100 hours is risky i think. And if you do... don't write on flight info that you
did it. The natives will get restless.

 

[standaman]

Do it right folks

In the words of the that voice in "Field of Dreams."

"If you build it they will come."

Get MEI=

Students will come

Unwilling to do MEI=

Lazy

Unable to get MEI=

A problem

I want people to work for thier time and not just buy it. Increase you qualifications and you will find work.

 

[mooser]

Buying the time? Why not just pencil whip the logbook if you are looking for just the "time" to meet minimums, much easier if you ask me and probably about the same experience.... You should be looking for the "experience", not the flight time. If I were you I surely would not pay someone X amount of dollars just to make your logbook look better, pretty insane and worthless in my opinion.. Get the MEI or or get on with a charter department and build some quality multi-engine flight time that is actually worth something. These fly by night operations that are "selling" time do absolutely nothing that will be beneficial to you in the long run.


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ps>> his profile really is not needed since he only asked for "advice" pertaining to his multi-engine flight time. One would assume he has very little, atleast that would be logical reasoning after reading his post.

I agree...

The MEI is the golden ticket to a great experience!!! TRUST ME!!!

Mooser

 

[dasmith]

40$/hour?

What kind of multi can you get for $40/hour? Even some of the smallest multi aircraft burn $40/hour in fuel. So where's the money to pay on the engine reserves/maint/etc. Is that $40/hour per pilot? How many pilots are you doing this with. Can you tell us where you're getting this phenominal rate?
ds

 

[mooser]

What kind of multi can you get for $40/hour? Even some of the smallest multi aircraft burn $40/hour in fuel. So where's the money to pay on the engine reserves/maint/etc. Is that $40/hour per pilot? How many pilots are you doing this with. Can you tell us where you're getting this phenominal rate?
ds

Yeah

Mooser

 

[rumorhasit]

first of all to all those bung holes who responded like an idot...eat me!!! For those of you who actually presented an educated response thank you very much!!!

The company is in southern texas and flies along the coast looking for oil wells leaks etc. Many will scream pft but this company is used by a few I work with and they seem to get good experience from it. Pretty cheap multi-time to build experience to use for mei.

The cfi world is in a slump where I live. Several flight schools are shutting down or reducing their size. I am willing to do just about anything (within reason) to build time (and experience) and I really don't care about the academys or direct track crap. I have a cfi,cfii and I'm not really worried about getting the interview at the regionals. I just need to get some experience and the rest will come. And I know a little bit about the business to know its all about senority...

I will pm request for the website....

 

[sleddriver77]

first of all to all those bung holes who responded like an idot...eat me!!! For those of you

And those would be the guys with... (gasp)... EXPERIENCE?????

Reality Check??

 

[vetteracer]

Man, hours at any cost. This is the reason why military pilots get jobs with 1500 hours.

I use to pump fuel for an FBO while doing flight training. When I had my ME rating I would ride along with the cargo guys all night long, actually fly all night long. Just to log .5 of a part 91 dead head leg. 5 hours of flying all night for .5 SIC in a 310, 402 or a barron, get real.

But, it showed the DO of the company that I wanted to work, and when a job came open, it was mine.

Pay your dues.

Mark

 

[pipejockey]

Pay your dues.

Mark

The problem that many of you fail to understand is that "paying your dues" can come in a variety of ways. Too many of you have the attitude that "paying your dues" equals flight instructing!! It amazes me the number of people who feel the ONLY way to a part 121 airline job and the ONLY people who are worthy of landing a part 121 airline job are those who have flight instructed. It is so close minded. I know what you're thinking...And NO!! I am against PFT. I don't agree with Gulfstream's program or the Colgan PFT.

But renting a twin and building time is no more or less valuable than sitting in the right seat while keeping a student from screwing up. I was recently hired by one of the better Regionals in the industry, and I did not instruct 1 hour, nor did I even get flight instructor ratings. I know this infuriates some of you...too bad! The experience I gained before getting this job was better than any flight instructing experience I would have received as a CFI. And if I did choose the CFI path to an airline job, I don't feel I would have been as prepared to operate in the airline environment as I am now.

I have sacrificed a great deal to get to where I am now. I may not have flight instructed but I worked my a s s off to save for flight school and still have gone into considerable debt to make this career a reality for me. A part 121 airline career has been my goal since childhood, and I have always known I would not be going the CFI route since then as well. Teaching just doesn't suit me. And because of that fact, there are those of you who feel I have no business as a part 121 jet airline pilot...thats a shame.

Now I have no problem with flight instructors and the path they chose towards an airline career, quite the contrary! All I ask is that they have the same respect for me and the path I have chosen towards an airline career as I have for them and their chosen path. It's not like I PFT'd!! Although some of you have a pretty broad definition of PFT.

To me PFT=handing $18000(or whatever ridiculous amount) over to an airline before they hire you. I would rather first spend that money to build flight time before I would give it to an airline just so they will hire me. I know people who are PFTing at this moment or hope to soon. I dont hide my feelings about it. I provide my opinion and ultimately tell them to do what allows them to look themselves in the mirror afterwards. But I don't badmouth them like some of the people who become irate if they have learned about someone getting hired at the airlines who hasn't flight instructed. Oh, and by the way, most of the PFTers I know are also flight instructors...go figure!

We need to address our hatred towards the real enemy of the pilot profession and the airline industry. And that enemy is the Anti-Christ in our midst.......who goes by the name of Jonathan Ornstein

 

[L.A.pilot]

"The company is in southern texas and flies along the coast looking for oil wells leaks etc. Many will scream pft but this company is used by a few I work with and they seem to get good experience from it. Pretty cheap multi-time to build experience to use for mei. "

So, is the oil company also paying for this flight time? Is it not an operation that requires a commercial pilot? Are you paying to work a commercial flight as PIC? Or as SIC in a light twin?? Some 135 ops charge "SIC" time in light twins and promote logging the time as a "required crewmember" (a different issue altogether...), but this is not even a 135 operation from the sound of it.

When you're talking Gulfstream or others that charge you for flight time during commercial operations... let's call it what it is: PTW -- Pay to Work. Not PFT.

 

[rumorhasit]

And those would be the guys with... (gasp)... EXPERIENCE?????

Reality Check??

No just the "bitter I'm stuck doing a job I don't like so I'm going to be an a$$hole guys"!!! I could take this discussion back to the elementary school playground but why waste time and energy. what the hey do you mean reality check? I was just asking a legit question of the "experience" of this forum...I am sorry life was not as you hoped it would be in this industry...but get over it and get over yourself!!!!!

 

[rumorhasit]

And those would be the guys with... (gasp)... EXPERIENCE?????

Reality Check??

No just the "bitter I'm stuck doing a job I don't like so I'm going to be an a$$hole guys"!!! I could take this discussion back to the elementary school playground but why waste time and energy. what the hey do you mean reality check? I was just asking a legit question of the "experience" of this forum...I am sorry life was not as you hoped it would be in this industry...but get over it and get over yourself!!!!!

 

[Smacktard]

The experience I gained before getting this job was better than any flight instructing experience I would have received as a CFI.

Isn't that just as close minded as what you accuse others of? How do you know it was better unless you walk a mile in another man's...woman's shoes...you wear women's shoes?

 

[Britpilot]

At $40 per hour I would buy that time. The airlines don't really care how you arrived at multi engine total. The MEI does help with experiance but generally builds time at a slower pace.
This is about getting hired, not "paying your dues" My advice is to fly that cheap multi.

 

[cathal]

I agree with Britpilot 100%, except that I would have said "experience." Sorry- couldn't resist.

Get your MEI to take advantage of the free hours that come along and to allow you to log 100% of the time you're in the cockpit. I bought about 50 hrs of what I needed to get a regional, and the interviewer didn't care in the least.
It's not pay for training, it's not buying a job, it's getting the experience you need to get an interview. If you can't fly, the airline will know.

 

[Britpilot]

I agree with Britpilot 100%, except that I would have said "experience." Sorry- couldn't resist.

Darn, spelt it wrong again, nice catch.