Sheble CFI,CFII,MEI

[socalpilot]

Why don't you people saying the program is crap explain why you feel this way? Sheble's isn't for everyone but that doesn't mean the program is crap. I think people on this board would benefit more if you could explain from your experience at Sheble's why it's so bad. I went there and I turned out fine. Good luck wherever you decide to go.

 

[realisent]

Why Sheble is not good...

Sorry for the cut/paste from another board, but this says it all and is representative of my experience as well. (in response to socalpilot's request)

Success to you in all your efforts...

RE: Sheble Aviation Training
Author : avbug ...
Posted : 5/13/2002 4:53:54 PM

They're a certificate mill, and the aircraft are cobbled together.

An individual whom I know very well did his ATP there. He was to do it over a weekend. He arrived on the Sunday at the appointed time for instruction, and was given a packet to study. He was told no instruction was needed; the packet contained all the answers. Read it a couple of times, come back tomorrow.

He arrived to preflight the airplane before dawn, as instructed. The airplane was locked up, nobody about. Nobody showed up for an hour. At that point, the owner showed up, asked if 'all the big pieces are still there,' and then said, 'let's go fly.'

The approaches were flown into McCarran in .3 on the tach. Three approaches, and each one was flown at something like 150-180 knots, no flaps no configuration, nothing. The owner indicated that it had to be done quickly. Once on the ground, the applicant was directed to give the owner a ride to his house so he could feed his cats. On the way, the oral portion of the exam consisted of small talk about the superbowl, cats, and a single question as to weather the study packet had been reviewed.

Next the applicant was directed to fly the owner (also instructor/examiner) to his Lake Havasu base. On the way a couple of steep turns and a stall were done, with only a few minutes under the hood, and then a routine landing at Havasu. The owner then spent a couple of hours conducting his business, and ignored the applicant. This is DURING the practical test.

Following this, the applicant was directed to fly the owner to Needles, where he shot one approach and a missed approach (the owner pulled an engine during the missed approach at 30', and ordered a circle back to land on one engine at 200', with a 270 degree turn at low altitude required to complete the turn.

The landing complete, the applicant sat for almost four hours while the owner gave practical tests (checkrides) to two other individuals. Again, this is all happening during the applicant's ATP practical test. Upon completion of his business, the owner directed the applicant to fly him back to las vegas, visually (no view limiting device). There they landed, payment was made, and the ATP temporary certificate issued.

The applicant commented that he had a brief discussion at Havasu with the owner/examiner about the applicant's low multi experience. The examiner advised the applicant to falsify his logbook for the first few hundred hours, in order to gain work.

The applicant had five hours of multi exerience when he began the day, and had nine when he left, only a few minutes of which were actually involved in the practical test. He wasn't instrument current, had received no preparation, and came prepared with the knowledge test passed.

He commented that while on the ground at Needles, he watched the Travelaire he had flown in on, perform several go-arounds. Each time he commented that the popping and banging made him question weather he wanted to fly that airplane back home again. He said it wasn't too noticable while on board, but from outside, the airplane sounded, and looked, terrible.

I knew some 30 individuals who went through the ATP program there during that time period, and all offered similiar accounts. All got their certificates, all stated that it would have been impossible to fail. For twelve or fifteen hundred bucks, they got their certificates, and that's about it. Competence and ability played no part of the equation.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Whirlwind]

Re: Why Sheble is not good...

They're a certificate mill, and the aircraft are cobbled together.

I knew some 30 individuals who went through the ATP program there during that time period, and all offered similiar accounts. All got their certificates, all stated that it would have been impossible to fail. For twelve or fifteen hundred bucks, they got their certificates, and that's about it. Competence and ability played no part of the equation.

Draw your own conclusions.

Sounds like he is selling tickets...

This makes me wonder if anyone from the FAA ever checks examiners for this kind of thing, one would think that keeping such a pratice from going on would be in the interest of safety.

I'm working on my CFI right now, have been for about a month. Lots of work, but I'll be prepared when I'm done. I can buy a lot of my instructor's time for fifteen hundred bucks.

Fly Safe!

 

[socalpilot]

realisent,
Thanks for putting out some valid info. Now that's what I'm talking about. First hand experience that explains what happened to someone who has gone through the program. My experience was much different but that was about 4 years ago. I spent most of my time developing lesson plans and teaching them to the instructor followed by training flights where I would teach the lesson plans I had developed. Maybe I just lucked out and got the only good instructor they had.

 

[mozzer]

Sheble's ATP

The owner? He gave you the packet, he trained you and gave you the checkride???????? The owners don't even live in Vegas.......makes me wonder about the credibility of your story.......go ahead and try me......been around awhile......what other stories did your friend tell you...........who was this instructor who said come back tomorrow....names........i know them all well..............oh yeah i'm one of them...............try me

 

[bobbysamd]

Sheble ATP (thread creep - sorry)

He was in Blythe in 1989. I arrived on Sunday afternoon, met with my instructor, and "flew" the "sim." The "sim" was an ATC-610, and did not behave at all like an airplane. It seemed barely functional; perhaps I was too used to the better-functioning ERAU ground trainers. All we did was practice VOR holding and the NDB approach into Ontario. I did receive materials on the Duchess, but, as I wrote above, my friend who got his multi at Sheble a few months before passed his to me and I was prepared.

The next morning was a 1.2 hour flight in the Duchess, another .8 of sim, and the 1.2 hour checkride in the Duchess. The practical was the first time I met the examiner/owner. The only instruction I received was from my instructor. I was gone by noon on Monday.

The place was extremely informal. There were cats running around the hanger. Nothing at all like the formal Riddle environment I was used to. Even less formal than my Part 61, one-on-one initial training with my instructor-airplane owners.

Sheble's back then was definitely not your father's flight school and it sounds no different today. Perhaps my experience was different than others posted above because I did receive some prep for the ride.

 

[rltoma]

Sounds like a good place to stay away from!

 

[realisent]

yeah i would definitely agree, its a place to stay away from... similar bad news on ipilot.com

 

[rltoma]

yeah i would definitely agree, its a place to stay away from... similar bad news on ipilot.com

Where on ipilot, i'm curious