Sgt Flucker says"un-loaded guns are a...

[FN FAL]

...F___er!"

Passenger in Car Dies Playing With Gun

HAZEL PARK, Mich. (AP) -- A 20-year-old man playing with a handgun in a car fatally shot himself in the head and wounded a fellow passenger early Saturday, police said.

The man, whose name was not released, was riding with four other people north of Detroit on Interstate 75 after leaving a party, said Sgt. Herb Fluker. He said the man pulled out a handgun and started playing with it.

After being told by fellow passengers to put the gun away, the man told them it wasn't loaded before placing the barrel against his head and pulling the trigger, Fluker said. The gun went off, killing the man and injuring a passenger.

The passenger's injuries were described by police as superficial, but no further information was available.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.

 

[avbug]

I flew a young man last night, middle of the early morning, who was drunk and injured, with a shattered skull. He had been "car surfing," which apparently involves standing atop a car on the highway at night, pretending to surf...when he fell off.

At 60 mph.

 

[blueridge71]

Every gun is always loaded.

 

[FN FAL]

Every gun is always loaded.

Not only that...but I don't know of too many states that allow under 21 year olds to possess a handgun.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Darwin rules!

 

[Tripower455]

Not only that...but I don't know of too many states that allow under 21 year olds to possess a handgun.

Most states allow posession at 18, but federal law won't allow purchase from a dealer until 21.

 

[Typhoon1244]

...the man told them it wasn't loaded...

...brought to you by the Department of Famous Last Words.

 

[the_dimwit]

"...hey guys, watch this!"

 

[bigD]

Guys - you're missing the point. The guy playing with the gun is really only partly at fault.

Most of the blame is obviously falls on the gun manufacturer itself. Lawsuit!

::sigh::

 

[ShawnC]

Guys - you're missing the point. The guy playing with the gun is really only partly at fault.

Most of the blame is obviously falls on the gun manufacturer itself. Lawsuit!

::sigh::

Yes it should have an indicator that tells the user if it's loaded. It's all the gun companies fault, oh wait, no video games and Hollywood glorify guns, making kids want to play with them too.

 

[RightBettor]

They have a name for people who car surf...

"Organ Donor"

With exception of the liver... perhaps.

Better run out an file suit against the auto manufacturer. Last I checked there are no warnings against car surfing, dude.

 

[StrykerFL]

Don't forget the bullet maker in that lawsuit as well!

It is too bad that someone else always has to be held responsible for ones own actions.

 

[FN FAL]

Most of the blame is obviously falls on the gun manufacturer itself. Lawsuit!

Once again...what was an underage person doing possessing a gun? Maybe sue the cops for not doing their jobs.

 

[Hobit]

underage?

I can get drafted at 18 but I am underage at 20?!! WTFIUWT?

 

[ShawnC]

Once again...what was an underage person doing possessing a gun? Maybe sue the cops for not doing their jobs.

Not illegal to posses a handgun, just illegal for concealed carry and purchase.

So far we have to following defendants in the lawsuit:
Gun Manufacturers
Ammo Manufacturers
Video Game companies
Movie Companies

Anybody else we can blame it on?

 

[FN FAL]

You're telling me MI state law allows under 21-year-olds to possess a handgun?

 

[FN FAL]

Never mind, I just found it on the NRA-ILA site....

1. A person who is eighteen or older, but under 21, may purchase a handgun, but not from a federally licensed dealer who is prohibited from selling a handgun to anyone younger than 21.

at http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=MI

That's funny...it's against federal law for a gun dealer to sell a hand gun to someone under 21, but in michigan its not against the law for that person to possess. But on the other hand, in Michigan, its against state law for a person to possess lawfully ownable federally registered NFA firearms unless those NFA firearms are on the C & R list, or the person is a class II manufacturer or class III dealer. That's totally ludicrust.

How can the population of a state allow their legislature to outlaw the possession of lawfully ownable NFA federally registered firearms, especially when you look at the registration process and the penalties for screwing up while in possession of NFA firearms. You screw up with NFA firearms and its 10 years at Club Fed. The NFA firearms application process requires fingerprinting, an FBI background check, a signature from your local police chief or sheriff and a two hundred dollar tax to be paid at application and waiting for an NFA approval usually takes months to a year. But yet the state of MI don't allow it...cause of why? Cause they are too busy countering federal law with under 21-year-olds owning handguns?

I don't freeking get it...the feds allow registration and possession of silencers, short barreled shotguns, short barreled rifles, machine guns, and AOW's...but the state of Michigan says NO! Then they turn around and circumvent FEDERAL LAW by allowing underage possession of handguns.

That's just plain wierd.

 

[FN FAL]

I just did and exhaustive search on Wisconsins gun laws and they now permit 18 year olds to possess handguns. FFL's can't sell em to them though.

Seems to me, 20 years ago they had a state law in WI that said nobody under the age of 21 could possess handguns. But since that's all changed, it's a moot point...at least we didn't sell our NFA ownership rights up the river...like those slack jawed yokels in Iowa and Illinois, to name a few states.

 

[ShawnC]

I was always under the impression that the Federal law prohibits the sale of the handgun to someone under 21, but didn't have an language the prohibits the possession.

 

[Emerson Bigguns]

Personal Responsibility

You can buy a car when your 18 years old. And I bet you have the common sense not jump out in front of traffic to see if a car will kill you. This moron has nobody to fault but himself.

All the lawsuits exist becuase of lawyer's greed. They could give a rat's ass about responsibility.....they care about the opportunity of raiding a 'deep pocket'

EB

 

[FN FAL]

I was always under the impression that the Federal law prohibits the sale of the handgun to someone under 21, but didn't have an language the prohibits the possession.

Yea...that's what I am discovering right now, as I peruse state law websites and the NRA website.

At one time in WI possession of a hand gun by under 21 was a no no. In fact they even had an exemption for an under 21 year old that was a law enforcement officer.

 

[A Squared]

FN-FAL,

Ususally I avoid getting into the spelling police thingy, but I've seen you do this one too many times. Seems like if it's your favorite word, you ought to learn how to spell it correctly. If you're doing it intentionally for effect, disregard....


It's Ludicrous, not ludicrust

It's for your own good, really.........

 

[FN FAL]

Ludicrust is from a MAD TV episode where they spoofed mike tyson...It's a keeper

 

[Vector4fun]

The laws have probably changed a bunch since then, but I remember when I was about 15 yrs old, my brother and I both had 12ga shotguns and a re-loader, and while we couldn't buy 22LR ammo, we used to pop into the local gun shop and buy Unique powder by the pound, and primers by the hundred.

Wonder how many Lbs of Unique it would have taken to blow up a building?

 

[FN FAL]

Federal law imposes the following restrictions aimed at younger persons:

A person must be 21 years of age to purchase a handgun or handgun ammunition, and 18 years of age to buy a rifle or shotgun or ammunition, from a retail firearm dealer. (GCA, 1968)

and that's right from the NRA-ILA Fact sheet @ http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=43

So federal law would require you have some person over 21 buy you the ammo for the handgun you were allowed to possess.

 

[ShawnC]

So federal law would require you have some person over 21 buy you the ammo for the handgun you were allowed to possess.

Whoever said that the federal government makes sense?

You can drive a car, solo a powerplane, and get PPL-Glider at 16.
Get PPL-Airplane and instrument at 17.
Get commerical, CFI, smoke, vote, and join the military (which means that you not only get to use a handgun, but an assualt rifle too) at 18.

But you can't drink, buy a handgun, or ammo until 21.

 

[A Squared]

Ludicrust is from a MAD TV episode where they spoofed mike tyson...It's a keeper

Oh OK, sorry, I Missed the reference. Carry on

 

[Pilot124]

Lets not forget to sue the band of the music they were listening to. It probally told him to do it subliminalty. < if that's even a word