Sensible answers to some 9/11 Questions

[Gorilla]

The best part of this whole article...

"12. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? The combination of thermite and sulfur (called thermate) "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."
NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel."

THERMITE!!?? Do you even know what it is, how it works, and have you ever used it? Sure, it'll cut through a railroad track IN ABOUT 1/2 AN HOUR! That'd make a great controlled demo.

"OK boys, FIRE IN THE HOLE! Let's come back tomorrow, it'll be down by then.

Oh wait, I know the answer... they started the thermite at precisely 1 hour 40 minutes before the AC impacted.

You are in friggin orbit somewhere near Pluto.

 

[Chaz]

How do you all rationalize the WTC 7 collapse? It seems logic doesn't leave many possibilities outside controlled demolition.

 

[JimNtexas]

How do you all rationalize the WTC 7 collapse? It seems logic doesn't leave many possibilities outside controlled demolition.

The NIST study of WTC 7 is still in progress, but their faq makes a lot more sense than demolition (see question 12 referenced above).

The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:

• An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

• Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and

• Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

I would also refer anyone interested in this subject to this podcast, which includes an interview with FDNY Deputy Fire Chief (ret.) Vincent Dunn, an expert on the effect of fire on buildings in general, and on the WTC structures in particular:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/science/3769332.html

Chief Dunn is the author of the 1988 book Collapse of Burning Buildings .

The thing that really bothers me about misguided people like RJPilot is that they just wave their hands and accuse thousands of dedicated professionals like Chief Dunn of willing participation in mass murder. I'd sure like to see one of these "truth seekers" say that to the Cheif's face.

 

[Slice121]

(by the way, you also may want to keep up with current events. Fleet deployments, FEMA Concentration Camps, Leaves pulled.. etc etc.. anyone here still of age to be drafted? Get ready.,. i hear the bill is for anyone age 18-42...the first had problems getting through.. but it was a dry run from what i understand... coming to a town near you)

So did you buy your Canadian home and exchange your dollars for twoonies yet? I'm sure you'll flee with the best of them.

 

[Chaz]

Well that is an interesting hypothisis Jim. It might be more believable if the conditions existed for that to happen, which would include massive structural damage and rampant fire. There are plenty of photos before the collapse from all sides that show only spurious small fires and no structural damage.

The burning debris traveled over and around WTC 6 and Vesey St., impacted WTC 7 .......

Ok sure, I'll believe it.

 

[Fugawe]

Well that is an interesting hypothisis Jim. It might be more believable if the conditions existed for that to happen, which would include massive structural damage and rampant fire. There are plenty of photos before the collapse from all sides that show only spurious small fires and no structural damage.

The burning debris traveled over and around WTC 6 and Vesey St., impacted WTC 7 .......

Ok sure, I'll believe it.

Is there something in the air in RJs?

 

[Yellowbird]

There are plenty of photos before the collapse from all sides that show only spurious small fires and no structural damage.

There are also photos, video, and reports of severe damage (inlcuding a 20 story gash) to the south face of WTC 7. Granted, there aren't any really good surveys of the entire south face, but after WTC 1 went down, the few surviving people with cameras had better thing to take pictures of than the surrounding buildings.

The burning debris traveled over and around WTC 6 and Vesey St., impacted WTC 7 .......

Ok sure, I'll believe it.

Look at the collapse videos and satellite photos post collapse - the debris covered a very wide area.

 

[Chaz]

There are also photos, video, and reports of severe damage (inlcuding a 20 story gash) to the south face of WTC 7. Granted, there aren't any really good surveys of the entire south face, but after WTC 1 went down, the few surviving people with cameras had better thing to take pictures of than the surrounding buildings.



Look at the collapse videos and satellite photos post collapse - the debris covered a very wide area.

WTC 6 took a heck of alot more damage than 7. It stood. I would like to see the photos and video of severe damage and 20 story gash. If you have a link please post it.

 

[Chaz]

Is there something in the air in RJs?

Yeah Fagawe, its like the 60's all over again. Only now, the crazies are flying your family around.

 

[JimNtexas]

Chez and RJ Pilot. I have a question for you. Are you willing to type the following words:

"Chief Dunn of the New York Fire Department is a liar."

Because that's what you are saying, and not just about Chief Dunn. You're saying it about the hundreds of professional engineers who participated in the NIST study.