Seniority for sale at Mesa

[Poahi]

Trojan,

It's been pretty quiet lately, but the last I heard the trial was scheduled for April 7th with a settlement conference in January. Ron Burkle, Aloha's lead investor purchased the lawsuit with credit against his unsecured claims.

With the bonds due, the Delta disaster and who knows what with UAL, the stock has been trading in the $.30-.40 range. I think the BK docs have already been drafted, they are just waiting for the right moment.

 

[Raoul Duke]

I have a friend considering this, it is a good deal, it is a 20% increase in his current rate. Add to that the fact it is tax free for 2 years (KP pays to a HKG bank account in pugagies or whatever they call their currency) plus he keeps US Mainline flight benefits - spouse, parents and kids - through a deal cut by Mesa with its partners (no other foreign carriers can offer that travel benefit) and KP includes housing for its pilots and 30 days vacation plus holidays off the bat. So at the end of the day, he could be a junior CA at Mesa and sit reserve in PHX or he can go for 2 years to China - work tax free - live in CO provided housing - save money - accure seniority and longevity - and return as a lineholding Capt. Not such a dumb decision in my book.

 

[Broke in CVG]

Do you get all the free egg rolls you can eat?

Beats peanuts for lunch, dinner and your paycheck.

 

[USCtrojan]

Trojan,

It's been pretty quiet lately, but the last I heard the trial was scheduled for April 7th with a settlement conference in January. Ron Burkle, Aloha's lead investor purchased the lawsuit with credit against his unsecured claims.

With the bonds due, the Delta disaster and who knows what with UAL, the stock has been trading in the $.30-.40 range. I think the BK docs have already been drafted, they are just waiting for the right moment.

Poahi,

Thanx for the info!! Yeah, I agree on the BK docs. I wonder if Mesa has been waiting till the last minute also hoping for a miracle? Thanx again for the info, and I certainly don't mean to hijack the thread!

Trojan

 

[go!ng for broke]

The dirt pile it takes to fill in the $hit hole grows everyday. They will wait until property levys are upon them.

 

[ThrottleJockey1]

Rest easy

Mesa is one of ALPA's major players. ALPA will take care of everything. Besides, if it fail they will raise or dues.
Oh yea, what a wonderful place to park you bike. A Brazilian bike rack.

 

[McNugent]

This is actually good news for all the Mesa haters. JO is looking for ways to get guys off the payroll. This way he can eliminate the higher payed captains for a couple years and keep the junior guys that would be furloughed, all the while spoon feeding the newbs good news so there won't be a mass exodus. JO knows the game is over, he's just trying to find ways to keep as much money in his pocket as possible before he goes down in flames. If you take this offer, there may be no Mesa for you to come back to in 2 years.

 

[sniper]

Mesa is one of ALPA's major players. ALPA will take care of everything. Besides, if it fail they will raise or dues.
Oh yea, what a wonderful place to park you bike. A Brazilian bike rack.

alpa failed again with their new ta.....vote no

 

[sniper]

mesa ta

vote no,it sucks to be paid less than gojets

alpa failed once again.

No pay increases for captains and 1.28 perdiem, are you kidding me.

what happen Angelo, so much for the tough talk

 

[Jon Rivoli]

It's not quite tax free as you will be paying taxes to the Chinese.

 

[pdub20s]

vote no,it sucks to be paid less than gojets

alpa failed once again.

No pay increases for captains and 1.28 perdiem, are you kidding me.

what happen Angelo, so much for the tough talk

Like I tell all the pilots who think they know the TA.. "You sure know a lot for somebody who knows nothing"...

The TA has not yet been seen by anybody outside of the MEC. Plain and simple..

So without knowing what is in it, you cannot possibly make a educated decision

 

[DoinTime]

alpa failed once again.

I believe your MEC's negotiating committee negotiated this deal. Those would be your fellow pilots. If you are looking for failures, look within.

 

[Poahi]

I believe your MEC's negotiating committee negotiated this deal. Those would be your fellow pilots. If you are looking for failures, look within.

Here's what's puzzling about it. Originally, when Mesa first started the China JV, management offered pilots the option to go and work under the terms that KP was offering. That meant complete severance from Mesa except that they could take a LOA and retain their seniority. Not everyone who wanted to go was taken, but some did and the rest is history.

MAG ALPA had concerns about it in terms of the fairness that would result for those who stayed and worked under the more 'difficult' conditions, ie the UAL system. After all, only a select few went and KP was hiring off the street as well.

Some went and kept their seniority. After a few months of that arrangement, however, the practice stopped and you had to choose the horse you rode. The process was muddled because the contract was not clear on a situation like this and the company's view was that it had unfettered discretion when it came to allowing LOAs.

Now, from a distance, it appears that if you choose to go, you are being punished financially compared to those who went initially and certianly compared to those who were hired off the street. The only distinction with the LOA was that you retained your seniority. That's why I say you are buying your own seniority.

You can justify it by saying that you plan to come back, but I don't understand why the MEC would initially condemn the idea and then subsequently endorse it again with the only distinction being a pay cut. I must be missing something here.